[SILVY968]

[quote name='xrad' post='58138' date='Aug 20 2008, 04:58 PM']OK. here is my pic of the day....does anything ever work out????



needless to say, rotora lines going back to vendor. Anybody else know where to get quality braided lines?[/quote]



Call RS.

http://www.rsbarn.com/ss_brakelines.html

brian

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[xrad]

Feedback:



After 200 mile break in, brakes are far better than worn stock rotors and new cheapy pads put on by PO. As above, I used new Zimmerman rotors and Porterfield R4-s pads. Much better grip at lighter pedal pressures......



as for the Rotora lines, nice quality...wrong size. returned to vendor. The vendor for the zimmerman rotors was very helpful.

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[flash]

i knew you would like them - best danged street pad i've come across yet

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[xrad]

I have to give pete a call tomorrow. I was looking at his pic (thanks Silvy) and looking at what I have. Looks like I only go a portion of the set. Does not make sense, though. All I need is one pair of lines, not four, for the front set (coupe non-sport)



looks like I just got the short set, but I don't have any idea how they would be used.



input anyone?

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[doster]

Those look like oem rear lines.

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[flash]

actually, i think those are stainless lines - but yes, the short ones are for the rear - they are tucked way up at the torsion tube

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[xrad]

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Well, I have put about 800 miles on the Porterfeld R4s and Zimmer rotors and they have only gotten better at stopping. Switched from one car to another last night, and after applying Light to medium pedal pressure I was VERY surprized how much better they stop the car without riding the downshift!!!



I would recommend this combination to any spirited street driver.

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[ds968]

how is the dust with the R4s ? none ? light ? medium ? chimney on your wheels ?

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[flash]

less than stock for sure - a lot easier to clean off too - it's the same setup i have

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[Anchorman]

After my track outing at VIR this past weekend, I'm now convinced that the stock calipers, with the right pads, can do the job - but I want more braking. There were several instances where I felt I had no reserve braking power, and that was uncomfortable. BTW - I'd previously replaced the Mintex with Porterfields street performance pads (I think that's the correct designation, I know there's another thread that discussed this) and the increase in braking power over the Mintex was amazingly noticeable. I highly recommend these pads for street driving - no squeal, no warmup needed, and lots of grip.



Anyway - I'm exploring options to get even more brake power. I can go to the big whatevers (in my case, I'd make them silver), and I'm willing to give up on the 16" wheels, but the "big" option seems pretty pricey. Are there other choices? (Please, don't tell me to swap to track pads at the track - I really don't want to get into that, as silly as that might sound.)



In advance, thanks.



One other point - on the track, I got about equal brake dust on the rears and the fronts. So, my proportioning valve and brake pad choices seem to be working very well together.

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[xrad]

Dust is very light w/ r4-s pads. Just got zimmerman drilled rears for 115$ each and stainless Stoptech DOT approved lines 137$ form PFYC. and of cvourse another set of R4-s pads for the rear.



The stopping power when warm is great, including multiple sequential hard stops , at least from 70-0. Have not tried on the track yet.

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[xrad]

Went with stoptech lines because of DOT certification and claimed test pressures. Another source is Goodridge, but could not find the right set of four(except in england)



Stainless lines should be covered with some flexible sleeve OVER the braid to keep dirt out.

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[flash]

i'm not slagging stoptech or their products, and i like what they do, but, it says clearly on their site that those brake lines are DOT "compliant", not DOT "approved" - they make them using DOT approved materials and with DOT approved methods, but they are not certified by DOT

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[xrad]

OK....



DOT does not certify products, they just provide guidelines, no testing. Stoptech lines are guaranteed by Stoptech to meet DOT specifications. So they have to be(?) manufactured on DOT compliant crimper...get registered with DOT to use the name..etc....



Stoptech lines are 'legal' to use on highway. Now TUV does test and Stoptech does have some line sets certified through TUV, but I don;t know if that includes the 968 sets.



Thre are probably other brake line manufacturers that make something even better, but I like that Stoptech has the little DOT sticker.

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[flash]

actually DOT does in fact test and certify some products - (taken a look at your tail light lens or tires lately?) once those have passed, they are allowed to carry the mark without further testing, as long as no changes are made (there might be spot check tests though)



TUV only tests certain things as a part of their standard testing - you can pay for additional tests though - they operate much like UL in that regard - you have to look into the specific certification of a product to find out what tests were done - it isn't a blanket certification - for example, exhaust systems have to be TUV certified to be sold in germany - that certification however is only for manufacturing standard, material, workmanship, fitment, and sound level - it does not automatically come with performance verification, which is available at additional cost



i'd have to look into whether or not stop tech is merely putting the DOT sticker on, or if they carry the certification



at any rate, i'm sure it's a fine product, and i don't mean to insinuate otherwise - stop tech is a good company with a great reputation

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[Anchorman]

Good. Now that that's out of the way - what are the ways in which braking power can be increased?

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[flash]

push harder on middle pedal with foot

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[Duckman]

Push harder on the pedal. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[PorscheDude]

No away around the next brake upgrade, if you want to layout the cash.

I think you know all the options.



Or like mentioned, push harder on the peddle in the middle, that a freebie.

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[xrad]

drive more slowly....

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