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So, it's time to replace the Pagids that have served me well on my coupe. The car is used for roughly 4 autocrosses, and 8-10 track days a year, and is driven pretty much daily. I'm looking for recommendations for pads that wear well given this usage, don't make a racket on the street, don't fade, shed a minimum of dust, and work okay when they're cold. I realize that some of these criteria may be mutually exclusive, but that's my wish list!
The Pagids were excellent in terms of behavior on the track, longevity, and didn't squeak, but the dust and cold performance were suboptimal.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!
Chris
1992 Polar Silver Cab - tip, keyless entry, subwoofer, koni adjustables, clear bra (show and touring car)
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I am very happy with my PBR Deluxes for street use. No squeaks and no dust!
They have not faded in heavy use during a few PCA drives but I have no track experience with them yet.
Ralph
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[quote name='ds968' post='37432' date='Jun 25 2007, 03:56 PM']yes, I have the ceramic pad - hmm, I thought the "deluxe" was the ceramic compound pad of the PBR line.. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/huh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> .. but based on Bob's post I guess that's not the one, so sorry for the mislead ..[/quote]
Anyone out there have experience with regular track use of these pads? They sound good, but I'd feel better knowing they hold up okay to that kind of use and resist fade over multi-lap sessions.
Chris
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Metalmasters are about the mildest option, but you'd better get good at changing pads on-site at the track. Eventually, you will need to change the fronts within a single track day. It can actually be practical if you are both careful and quick.
KFP Golds were nice, tolerate heat a bit more, lasted about 2-3x the Metalmasters. But, eventually you may experience cracking/chunking of the pad material. That, and they will still squeal quite a bit around town.
Pagid (I speak for Black) can be VERY durable track pads. But, even I am getting embarrassed squealing to a stop everywhere in these things, and I have a VERY high tolerance for driving a fairly obnoxious track set-up on the street. (For example, the wife refuses to go out for ice cream in this car any more).
You COULD swap pads out for track days. You do a fair number and drive the car everywhere, very similar to what I've done with both my 944 and 968. It is a pain in the butt, but may fit into your prep ritual.
The big downside is that the rotors will have to exchange pad material back and forth, which is not necessarily good for rotors and will create some transitional braking anomalies. They kinda prefer having one material on them for stable behavior.
Perhaps someone else has found a magic pad that tolerates a couple of hot track days in these relatively heavy cars, but won't scare the neighbors every time you pull up into the drive. Otherwise, seeing how far you can get on the Metalmasters may be the best bet.
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Lots of good tips here, but I'm now wondering more than ever if there truly is a holy grail brake pad for the mixed use I give the car.
I did have Metalmasters a while back, but have been much happier with the Pagids on the track. I do like the price of the Metalmasters, though!
I'd love to hear from someone who had used the Porterfields and PBR Ceramics in fairly heavy track use.
The Pagid Yellows sound intriguing...anyone know how noisy they tend to be on the street? I like what I hear about the stopping ability of them, but don't want to sound like an Amtrak at every stoplight.
Chris
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Chris, I think your use pattern reflects mine pretty closely. I just finished off a set of Porterfield R4-1 pads. They are called a 'vintage race pad' designed for vintage racing where cool performance is helpful. The pad has a broad high friction range across temperature, and I found it works well on the street, autocross, and on a high braking demand track. It will make dust (they all to, but it cleans ok), they are quiet, and Porterfield pads are all easy on rotors (relatively speaking). The ceramic metalmasters will not hold up on the track on the fronts, but will work OK as a rear pad. I just put on a set of KFP gold pads and I'll see how they compare. The R4-1's are also reasonable in price. ymmv.
Cheers, Stephen
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Vanio, let us know your impressions of the KFP's on your car, and if you can tell the difference with the bias valve. I have one, but I haven't installed it yet. I don't know when the next time I'll get my car on the track. In two weeks I'm starting my competition license in another car and I'm concentrating on that for now.
Cheers,
Stephen G.
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