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Brake Pad Recommendations
#21

Anyone ever try carbotech pads on a 968? I have used them on other cars. The have agressive street pads that produce very little dust and work at low temps. No squeaking.

I know they work for autocrossing but I'm not sure about track events.



I've also never tried them on the 968.
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#22

Brake Pad / Brake Bias Valve review:

I recently upgraded my '93 968 to the 928 Bias Valve, and KFP Gold pads (with fresh teflon/braided lines), Motul 600. I've been running the KFP's on the car for three prior events, so I had a good feel for them on the 968. I just finished three days at Pocono, and here is my impression:



Brake Balance - Definately feels better, especially below 100 in moderate to heavy braking. Above 100, the change is more noticeable in threshold braking. The car still "squirms", but doesn't have that feeling like it is going to bury it's nose into the asphalt. Tail feels planted. Threshold braking seems more balanced. I had to do a couple of mid-turn braking excercises due to cars in front "loosing it", and the car felt very well in control.



Brake Temperature - I experience no issues with brakes over heating, or reaching over temperature. Did a full day on the Pocono East course, same KFP Pads, and reached over temperature a couple of times in the day a couple of weeks ago. No such issue this time around. I had fresh ATE Blue previously (two weeks old then), and upgraded to Motul 600, which would provide some benefit as well. East course doesn't give the brakes as hard time as some course, but doesn't provide much time between laps to cool down. Maximum speeds ~100, with a mid-course 90-50mph into a hairpin. Total course length is only 1.37 miles, and has three threshold braking zone in the ~85-100 to ~60-50 region. The rest of the course has a few "settling" braking zones.



Braking distances - no improvement. Did 60-0/80-0 braking tests, using the Traqmate to record G-forces and distances. On repeated tests with consistent performance. 60-0: 140ft, 82-0: 238ft, Results were consistent with stock road tests from '93/94. Didn't do a brake test before however. What I did see was the performance didn't degrade over the three days of driving. I did just over 200 miles of track driving, between Pocono North, South, East and Double-InField. Maximum braking was nicely consistent at ~1.255G. Previously, I would see a degradation of time on braking acceleration forces.



Now the question, is should I upgrade to higher torque pads.........



So the Bias value didn't shorten distances, nor did the KFPs. They both improved feel and controllablity, and provide much needed endurance. Nothing can spoil a track day like a set of overheated brakes. (Yes there are worse thing, but this is something preventable!)



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#23

I haven't replaced the brake pads on my car before, but now is the time. Thanks for all the postings - it seems like Pagid Yellow and Porterfield are good and relatively quiet street/DE compromises. I need decent cold performance for autoX, so perhaps the latter will do.



Besides new pads, does one need to buy the pad wear sensors and vibration dampers that go inside the calipers or are they reusable?



Andre
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#24

The sensor wires are only $15ea. You may as well replace them why it is apart. I am not sure about the vibration dampers.
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#25

I gave up replacing the sensors. I'm looking at the brake pads often enough to not need them. To avoid the instrument panel light, take your current sensor and cut the sensor element off. Strip the two wires and twist them together. Solder if you are anal, I did. Cover with heat shrink tube. If you ever want to go back to sensors, just unplug the shorted ones and install fresh new ones.
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#26

Thank you!
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#27

Surprised not one of you had mentioned PFC's? Any reason why you guys don't use them? So far I can't imagine a better pad but they do throw a fair bit of dust however easy to clean.
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#28

[quote name='333pg333' post='39166' date='Jul 31 2007, 07:32 AM']Surprised not one of you had mentioned PFC's? Any reason why you guys don't use them? So far I can't imagine a better pad but they do throw a fair bit of dust however easy to clean.[/quote]



I've heard good things about the PFC's. Both '97's and '01s. I'm trying the HT-10s for my next event.
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#29

I use 01's front and 97's rear. I had formerly used Bendix and then EBC yellows. I thought that this was how my car was meant to stop until I tried the PFC's. Amazing transformation!! I am able to stop in approx half the distance with better modulation and less fade. What more can you ask for? I can't imagine better but of course one would rarely get the chance to do back to back testing. I am having a very serious motor built (600hp) and am looking into bigger brakes than the Big Reds I have up front / S4 rear. I may look to PFC for the whole setup as they make Calipers, Pads, and rotors under the one roof which is appealing. Anyway the pads are really worth checking out if your shopping around for a new brand.
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#30

Just looked at the PFC site, and they don't show a front brake number for Big Reds (looked under 993 Turbo and 928 GTS) ... does anyone know, can we get a PFC part for Big Reds?
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#31

Yes, I currently have PFC 97s in my big reds. I don't know the number though.
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#32

I installed my 928S4 rotors and calipers last night. My KFP pads from my original brakes were quite glazed. This was after just four track days. This may explain my poor braking distances. The new brakes will be used with PBR Ultimate's for street use, and Hawk HT-10 for track use. Heading up to the Glen on Thursday. I'll report back the results. Truly hoping distances are shorter, and braking force exceeds the 1.2 I was seeing with the KFPs.
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#33

My non-M030 cab has to receive new rotors and brake pads in front. The car is used for severe street use.

New rotors will be OEM Zimmerman non-M030.

For the pads I was thinking at Porterfield R4-S or PFC 97, but as they are difficult or not to get in Europe (Belgium) I'am forwarding to Ferodo DS 2500.

Has anyone some experiance with these Ferodos ? regarding to performance, noice, dust, wear on disk ?
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