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What would you do ?
#61

as a reality check, the only reason that i am able to accomplish things is the way i was raised. i was given nothing. i had to work for whatever i wanted. the parents gave me the basics (roof, food, clothing) but anything i wanted outside of that, i had to work to get on my own.



until i was 12, i could do chores around the house, each of which had a cash value. after that, when i figured i wanted more, i had a business from the time i was 12, with employees and everything (lawnmowing/yard cleaning). when i turned 16 i got a real job. i went to high school and college at the same time, played and lettered in 2 sports, was in student government, and still had time for friends. i finished 9th in my high school class, getting only 1 B, and graduated with a 2 year college degree at the same time.



going to college was on me. no assistance from the parents. when i went off to college, i lost my room. when i turned 18 i was officially out of the house. when i came back briefly later on, i paid rent.



i never played a video game, went to the mall, or did any of the other distracting and unproductive things that kids do now, and feel they are entitled to. those things enable mediocrity. same with cell phones. no kid needs one unless they have a business to run.



i am so sick and tired of parents rewarding kids for grades and such, and accepting what should be a "given" as above average. parents are afraid to be tough on kids today. they are scared of the legal system. kids being allowed to call the cops is ludicrous. they should have to go down to the station in person. that would give them time to think it through. otherwise, it's too easy for them to act out of the moment, in a tantrum, and not realize the consequences. i say "screw it". let the cops haul you off just once and make sure the kid sees it, and then pays for it when you get back. they'll never go there again.



but then, this is exactly why i don't have kids. i won't let myself get sucked into that.
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#62

Can't argue. You had no choice but to work very hard if you wanted to get what you wanted out of life. My parents weren't quite as tough on me (maybe they thought being immigrants and forced to pull them up by their bootstraps in a country where they didn't speak a word of the language was enough adversity to cover a couple of generations!), but they managed to instill a realization in me at a very early age that the only way to succeed was to work very hard. Simple formula, really. The farther we stray from it, the more trouble we find ourselves in.
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#63

My Dad had me work common laborer jobs and said to me," there is nothing wrong with working these types of jobs, all you need to decide is if you want to work with your back or your brains". This not only helped me to make the decision but gave me an understanding of those that chose to work with their back. This is probably why I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!
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#64

Started working at 5 - had to earn enough money raking blueberries each fall to contribute to and eventually wholly purchase school clothes and supplies for the year. Then "tipping" to make wreaths to earn money to have Christmas. Later, around 10 years old it was on to clam digging, lobster fishing and wood cutting to pay for college. That took over 15 years from start to finish to save up for- and eventually pay off.



This gives me little sympathy for multi-generational welfare families. My uber-liberal sister-in-law considers me "uncharitable", but I think I'm more willing to contribute in meaningful ways than she is. She will give her time and money to a fundraiser or bake sale that sends cash to people. I'm willing to train someone or to spend time imparting upon them a skill or even more broadly, a work ethic... that takes a lot more commitment than the odd Saturday afternoon!
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[quote name='flash' timestamp='1370439723' post='143631']

parents are afraid to be tough on kids today. they are scared of the legal system. kids being allowed to call the cops is ludicrous. they should have to go down to the station in person. [/quote]



+ 1. ( and especially in California ! ) However, there is a silver lining: social services might take your kids away and then they can really experience what life is like in foster care, or anywhere else away from the comforts of home and the parents that give you everything , materially and emotionally . Of course that's not what one wishes for a 5 year old, but once they're teen agers.. they need a friggin' hard lesson to give them a perspective.. clueless little f***ers <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/glare.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> .
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[quote name='ds968' timestamp='1370456981' post='143652']

However, there is a silver lining: social services might take your kids away and then they can really experience what life is like in foster care .

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lol! Almost spit the gulp of water I just took all over my monitor! I'm not joking!
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#67

Oh, and you think you guys had it tough?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
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#68

I doubt any of us will ever witness the circumstances that have to be arrived at before CPS takes a child out of the home.



Sleeping on the floor surrounded by feces with drug-addled parents isn't even enough to constitute pulling the kid, for instance.



But those same parents will raise holy hell at the school because the teacher doesn't pay out of his/her own pocket to supply the child with pencils, crayons and notebooks.
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#69

I think that the common thread here is people overcoming adversity through hard work. We all started with nothing and have worked from an early age (for me, paper run when 9, then packing fruit, McDonalds until end of school and then constantly in Industry since while doing courses at night).



I too agree that it pisses me off that people want without either working or deserving and our Governments seem to want to take from those that do care and give to those that don't.



Many years ago, I read Atlas Shrugged, which was written in the 1930's - it is as applicable today as then (even if one section is a bit of a rant). Why strive to succeed if the only reward is to be pulled back down and stripped if the rewards.



Once again, no answers, but lots of questions.

I think that the common thread here is people overcoming adversity through hard work. We all started with nothing and have worked from an early age (for me, paper run when 9, then packing fruit, McDonalds until end of school and then constantly in Industry since while doing courses at night).



I too agree that it pisses me off that people want without either working or deserving and our Governments seem to want to take from those that do care and give to those that don't.



Many years ago, I read Atlas Shrugged, which was written in the 1930's - it is as applicable today as then (even if one section is a bit of a rant). Why strive to succeed if the only reward is to be pulled back down and stripped if the rewards.



Once again, no answers, but lots of questions.
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#70

Tama, they take kids out of families here all the time in situations you describe. Only sexual abuse is the added component. I was fortunate enough not to come from nothing. Yet one side was only 2 generations from immigrant. The work ethic was always stressed, as previous post showed, and adult examples were stellar although not perfect. Much can be accomplished through good, strong and invested role models. Even with them I strayed far afield before I got my act together. The work ethic was always there though. The basic foundation of family, education and although this will sound terrible, breeding, was always there as a guide. Even when I couldn't see two feet in front of me. Breeding was family involvement. You do not need to grow up with a silver spoon to be well breed.
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#71

My Niece: I hate you, I'm calling Family services

My Sister-in-Law: Go ahead, they take YOU away...



LOL



Jay
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#72

Kay,



There is a great book for mother daughter pain years. It is called "Princess Bitchface". We have two girls, even though they are young, the eldest (12) has been battling her mum now for 2 years full on (some time previous sparing to learn her craft).



My wife found it good to know that although not enjoyable, the behavior was somewhat atypical and she was not the only one going through it. She would read it in bed and go, "Oh my god, she does that", all the time.



Young boys, little lion, big lion and the test if strength and physical capability (beat dad). Little girls, mess with mums mind.



Someone once told me that if you have daughters, an angry, disenfranchised,alien abducts them at around age 13 and takes their place, but returns them at around age 20.



Got to love hormones.
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#73

Jay, not unless they say they were assaulted. Trust me they know how to work this game. Not nearly that easy!
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#74

1) It was a joke.



2) The point is that if anyone is taken from the house, its the child.



3) Trust me, her life wasn't so bad...



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#75

Jay, (I saw the Apple auto correct this time),



Young adolescent girls (and boys) are just difficult. New sensations, hormones, responsibilities, strength, height, intellect, etc.



I agree with the sentiments. So, its just not men that don't know what we had until we lose it.
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#76

I married my wife with three teenagers beween 13 and 16 who had been down the step parent thing when their dad remarried. It was tough, but I just last year walked my first daughter down the isle. My son is in the army and got married a year ago and one daughter left.



When they need something, they know who is the one who can get it done. I am proud of the way they turned out.



That being said, they work and don't expect a handout.
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#77

I Brady-bunched as well, two daughters of hers (older), two of mine (younger). They say step-children will only accept you when they are twice the age they were when you arrived, so I've got another year or two to go with hers. But, I'm walking her oldest down the aisle on Saturday, so by all measures I must be "in". <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.png" class="smilie" alt="" />



And look at it this way, I'm not losing a daughter, I'm losing a debtor. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.png" class="smilie" alt="" />
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