[968Z]

Okay, I've got my new front calipers! Now it is time for a decision on pads. The consensus here is Metal Masters, and I am leaning that way....but....my driving habits are docile. I don't really ever push it too hard, so hard braking, unless some a**h*** pulls out in front of me, is never an issue. My goal is a long wearing pad, "zero" dust, and easy on the rotors. Based on this info, is there a better route to go?

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[6spcab]

[quote name='968Z' date='Dec 27 2005, 05:01 PM']Okay, I've got my new front calipers!  Now it is time for a decision on pads.  The consensus here is Metal Masters, and I am leaning that way....but....my driving habits are docile.  I don't really ever push it too hard, so hard braking, unless some a**h*** pulls out in front of me, is never an issue.  My goal is a long wearing pad, "zero" dust, and easy on the rotors.  Based on this info, is there a better route to go?

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I have run well over 20 different types of pads from just about everyone out there for street/hard street use including everything Axxis (Metalmaster) sells (sold) and currently I am with Hawk HPS pads. No dust, no noise, very easy on rotors, good cold braking, and good repeated hard braking with resistance to fade. A little over $100 at Tirerack. I have them in all three of my cars and am waiting for the truck as well. I used to be a Metalmaster fan but no more as so many other pads are much better. I am sure others will share their experiences. Keep in mind that I have not tracked these pads very very hard but for hard street use and friendly after effects the Hawks are great.

Lee



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[Brian]

i've got metal masters. just put them in this summer.

no dust, for sure.

i don't think they grab quite as well as the factory pads.

but the factory pads gave more dust than i could tolerate.



if you get metal masters, it was my experience that you absolutely have to seat them before they'll work well. when i first installed them, they didn't work at all.

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[orphanowner]

[quote name='Brian' date='Dec 28 2005, 09:32 AM']i've got metal masters.  just put them in this summer.

no dust, for sure.

i don't think they grab quite as well as the factory pads.

but the factory pads gave more dust than i could tolerate.



if you get metal masters, it was my experience that you absolutely have to seat them before they'll work well.  when i first installed them, they didn't work at all.

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I used to be a fan of Metal Masters as a good, cheap, low dust pad that would approach the hot and cold performance of an OEM pad like Jurid or Textar. I think I ran them for 10 years or more. However, I didn't like the extended cold stop distances and really, the hot performance was merely okay at best. Certainly not a track or even a DE pad IMHO.



I quickly tired of the noise and dust of the Poterfield R-4 racing pads that the PO had installed on my car and felt these pads were overkill for the street.



At the suggestion of a shop owner friend of mine, I installed Mintex pads on my 968 and have been pleasantly surprised. I find the performance on par with OE pads with a significant reduction in dust. No more sliding through the first stop of the morning or having to "two foot" the brake pedal during a cold panic stop ala MM pads. I have tested repeated high speed stops and the Mintex pads seem to resist fade as well as the OEM pads. I won't call them track pads, but good cost effective street pads for sure.

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[flash]

the porterfield 4S pads (the street version of the 4R) aren't too bad - a lot less dust than stock, and easier to clean, but not as little as the metal masters - stopping is dramatically improved over stock, though i'm not sure how much is the pad, and how much is the zimmerman crossdrilled rotor, or how much is the ATE blue, or how much are the stainless lines



i too was a huge fan of metal masters, and ran them forever, until i tried them on brembo rotors - so far, i've warped every brembo i ran them on - i haven't tried them on zimmermans yet, but a couple of guys here have, and while they are wearing nice groove paterns in the rotors, they aren't warping, and they seem to be happy



the cold stopping thing was also a drag, and something i never noticed on the MG, probably because the car was so light - on the E30, the E46, and the 968, i was not happy - fearing further problems, i switched to the deluxe for the E46, which throws a bit more dust, but no cold stop problems - i do, however now have a warped zimmerman there

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[Josho]

I'm with LeeDye on the Hawk HPS pads. I have no complaints about the pads. I drive %100 on the street, in all kinds of situations, traffic, long drives, and my car is daily driven. It doesn't get to cold here in Sacramento but I've never had to worry about them not stopping in the morning. I don't notice any abnormal amounts of dust durring normal driving conditions, I also wash my car at least once a week depending on the weather. They have made no noise at all. As for any pad "breaking" them in propery is extremely important.



my .02



JO

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[SILVY968]

I just had the pads replaced with Mintex pads. Less dust that OEM with no problems in cold use on a 100% daily driver. Zimmerman rotors.

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[968Z]

Hmm...I have a bit of time to decide as the car went into the shop for the new top. I am leaning towards PBR Deluxe or the Mintex pads, primarily for two reasons. First - these seem to be the lowest dust producing pads, based on a variety of sources. 2 - they are very reasonably priced. My car will never see a track or DE, and as I said, I'm pretty docile on the road, so performance braking will never be an issue. Bottom line, I am sick and tired of cleaning my wheels! Between the two, is there really any difference in the amount of dust, or is it more of a "pick one and go with it" choice?

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[kramermic]

I was under the impression that there is no such thing as a "high performance" pad that does not leave significant dust. I have been running pagid blue (sport) on my 968 with zimmerman rotors since i got it. They are better than stock, but leave plenty of dust. I have been willing to make the sacrifice of regular cleaning for the best performance. I also use pagid blacks on my track car. If anybody has experience with the pagid blues and can reccomend another pad that stops as well, or close, but leaves significantly less dust I would love to hear. Thanks.

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[flash]

the pbr deluxe are also "better than stock" but still leave plenty of dust - i have those on the bimmer - the porterfield 4S pads i have on the 968 leave about the same amount, but a different kind of dust, that is easier to clean off



if you are sick and tired of cleaning the wheels, go with the metal masters - lots of guys are running them with success - the "cold stop" thing is really very manageable - it only happens the first stop or two - then, it's fine - they are a bit hard on rotors, but rotors are cheap

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[Richard]

I'm in the middle of changing my rear rotors and pads with Zimmerman and MetalMaster. What is the correct way to break in the new rotors and pads?

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[flash]

what i have always done is take the car up to 20mph and brake firmly and evenly to a stop, not allowing lockup or abs engagement - repeat twice, with about 20 to 30 seconds between brakings - then the same at 40mph, then 50, then 60, then 80, then 50, then 30, then drive for at least 4 minutes without braking at all - the idea is to get them progressively hotter, and then cooler, without bluing the rotors or glazing the pads



everytime i have done this, it has resulted in no warping, long life, and great braking - any time i have rushed the process, i have had less than pleasing results

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