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Oil Filter Housing Gasket
#1

One of the things I had done at RS Barn afew weeks ago was to fix a leak coming from the oil filter housing gasket.
The leak wasn't that bad, and we were considering just leaving it alone and hoping that a heavier oil (20/50) might slow it down.
Luckily, we decided to replace thegasket, as it was my last leak and even though it would be a lot of labor to replace it, I had visions of a clean garage floor [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Apparently, the gasket had been allowing oil to leak into the coolant system. My coolant was messed up,even though I had the system flushed just 6 months ago.

Pete told me that this gasket is a very common leak point on the 968.

Anybody else seen this problem?

If you have a leak from the oil filter housing, you may want to keep an eye on the coolant condition.

Jamie
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#2

Okay, so I have a fairly sizable leak coming from the right side of my engine, most likely coming from the oil filter unit where it attaches to the engine. has anyone done this repair themselves? It looks like the accessibility is pretty bad, might involve removing the power steering reservoir, the header...any help would be much appreciated, I'm losing enough oil now that I can't really keep ignoring it.

-Phil
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#3

Phil, clean everything real good and the leak should show itself.
Could be the PS lines, resivoir or balance shaft seals.
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#4

PS fluid level has not changed, and there is a lot of oil from the past month wherever i park it. I would say i lose a quart a month. I just did the belts and replaced the seals while I was in there, and checked it this weekend and it still is not leaking. From under the car I can see drips of oil coming from just inboard of the oil filter assembly, on the back side of the unit.

-Phil
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#5

ugh - i've heard that one is a bear
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#6

Yeah, I just spoke with Pete about it...6 hours of work he said...not sure what that translates to for me, but apparently I also need a special tool.

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#7

but of course - porsche wouldn't have it any other way

bummer
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#8

Yep, you need the tool for alignment of the oil pressure relief valve. It's pretty involved to do, my friends 944 has a pretty good oil leak from the bottom of the housing. I told him to take it in, I was interested in fixing it. http://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/lube-01.htm
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#9

Hmmm...I haven't taken a car to a shop for a long time. It seems ok with the tool, though a lot of work as usual. I need to try to figure out what to order from paragon.
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you might have better luck with pelican or sunset
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#11

Ok, so I spent some time under my car this weekend, I was tightening the accessory belts a little, which is a pain on this car. While I was under there, I decided to look at the oil leak with the engine on. The oil is definitely dripping from where the oil filter housing is bolted to the engine.

I've been putting so much time into the car over the past months (timiing belts and balance belt, water pump and pulleys, Pioneer double din, keyless entry), I'm thinking about having someone else do this fix. Pete quoted 6 hours of work. What does this translate to in actual cost? I have no idea what the labor rate is since I haven't had anyone work on my cars for years. Clearly the part cost is pretty cheap, just the necessary gaskets.

Thanks
-Phil
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#12

I can confirm it is a hell of a job. it cost me 7 hours or so to change the gasket in the past.
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I had this repair done about 6-8 months ago, along with all new PS lines.
I had considered having a go myself, but once I had a good look, I decided it was too much for me.
It hurt when I got the bill [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img] but it was money well spent.
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#14

well, I've got the tool and the parts, so I'm just about to start the job this morning. We'll see how many hours it takes in my garage...
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Keep us posted. I just ordered the parts to do the same on my 944. I got the same thing, annoying oil drip up in that area, at least there is no mixing to worry about.
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#16

968TDG et al.,

I have this issue as well. My solution: heavier weight oil until that no longer stops the seepage. If it was getting on any of the belts I would have to drop everything and pull an all-nighter. Sticking my head in the sand and buying time for now.....
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#17

Ok, I did the job this weekend. Before I fixed it, oil was leaking from the engine, below the oil filter housing at a pretty considerable rate, maybe 10 drops a minute. I had 10w40 redline in it, and I didn't really want to go any thicker.

I have heard time estimates between 4 and 7 hours at a shop. I put 4 or 5 hours into stripping it down to pull off the housing. This included:

underside cladding - you guys know the drill, i swear I'm going to wear out those bolts.

power steering reservoir - just undid the strapping and put it to the side with a rag under it as the cap does leak slowly

Drained the coolant

coolant line (above headers) - just makes the access so much easier for the rest of the job. Removed the hose clamps and the bolts holding the metal tube to the head.

headers - 13mm nuts on studs, access is fine with a wrench and a universal joint on a ratchet. Unbolt from down pipe below car. again, access is "fine" with a wrench and a ratchet, but if you're like me and only have jack stands and can only get the car as high as you can lift it onto those stand with your factory Porshce jack and a 35 year old Triumph Jack, then you probably look like T-rex when you're doing this part. I also took off the two bolts supporting the rear section of the exhaust to the car to make it easy to slide the headers out. One of the articles said you could just slide the headers back and it was ok, but I can't imagine, and it was about 5 more minutes to just completely remove them.

heat shields - removing this made me want to stab whoever designed it. It comes out in two sections. where the rear part joins the front part there are 3 bolts, one accessed from the top, two accessed from the bottom with a few ratchet extensions put together for ease. This frees the rear section, and now the rest is socket cap screws, one holding the front part of the head shield on, centrally located below the shield. Pretty much the worst place possible. I removed it from below. The other two socket cap screws are holding the support where the two shields meet to the oil housing. Removed this to make it easier to get the housing in and out of the car.

radiator - I removed this to gain access to the socket cap bolt for the oil cooler/housing connection. It's actually the easiest thing to remove. The bolts for the cooling lines was pretty tight, so i figured, why not. I would recommend doing this. you just undo cooling lines to the radiator wherever you see fit, removed the airbox support member (4 10mm bolts), pop the 4 little clips off holding the plastic shroud to the front of the radiator, unplug the three plugs (cut 2 zip ties holding the wires) and it slides out. Now that I've written it out, it sounds like a lot of work, but it's not really once you're in this deep.

oil pressure gauge - Removing the oil pressure unit required a 24mm wrench. I bought a standard 24mm from Napa because it was all I could find, I thought I might need to modify it to fit, but it was ok. Due to the tight space for turning the wrench, I had to do one turn from the top of the engine, one turn from the bottom of the engine. fun. In retrospect I imagine this could have been left on the housing...I don't know why it needed to come off. The article listed in this thread says to take it off.

oil pressure relief valve - 24mm socket turns this part out, be careful, it's expensive, haha.

...and finally the housing. This is 4 13mm bolts, the bottom right one is quite hard to find. Other than that, it is straight forward.

As Pete had mentioned, the job pretty much just involves turning bolts, but figuring out whether to access those bolts from the top or the bottom of the car, and just getting your hand in there is the most time consuming part.

My old gasket was the newer style with the metal gasket with 3 gasket surfaces molded to it. It was pretty flat on one side though, and it did clearly seem to be what was leaking. i cleaned everything and oiled the gasket and put it in place with the housing, which is a bit tricky as it seems to only be able to come from the bottom of the car. i just lined everything up and put the top bolts through the housing and gasket and then hand tightened everything. There is a special tool you put in place of the oil pressure relief valve when installing the housing so you don't mess the valve. you tighten everything on and then remove this tool and insert the valve. Easy enough though it was a bit difficult to get out after everything was tight. especially because the end of the tool is knurled. So I grabbed it with a wrench and managed to get it to come back out.

That's pretty much it. I cleaned the oil and I built everything back up. I put coolant in the car, turned it on, warmed it up, and then turned it off and changed the oil. I don't believe I had oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil. I had replaced both recently as I had done the Timing belts and changed to synthetic oil, but I didn't want to take any chances.

Everything is working well. I drove it around the block with the cladding off to see if I had any dripping. There doesn't seem to be any oil leaking anymore, which is a relief.

The rebuild took about 6 hours, so over 10 hours total, but I would imagine i could have made it in 7 with a shop.

The only thing that is bothering me is that the car, especially at first, didn't want to restart when it was hot. When I turned it off I had to wait several minutes to restart it. This seems to have gotten better since Saturday, but I can't explain it, any guesses?

Hope this helps someone. I was dreading doing this, almost had a shop do it, but now I can go buy myself new snowboarding kit instead.

-Phil

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there is an oil temp thermostat in there somewhere - perhaps it got buggered?
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#19

Congrats, it doesn't sound all that fun.. For the hot start, did you knock the sensor on the backside of the distributor?
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#20

did you take pics????
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