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Excessive Oil Consumption
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Cause of Excessive Oil Consumption ...



I searched our forum but didn't find anything relating to this particular discovery, so here's my story. If this is old news, then it's one of those many things everyone else knows about but me.



Every time I revive my car in the Spring, following the usual 3+ months of storage in my unheated garage where part of the time it's below freezing, something leaks, drips or misbehaves. This time was no exception: oil consumption was not at all good. In fact, after a week or so of driving, I determined it was close to the 1.5L/1000Km limit specified in the Workshop Manual, which equates to a mileage of 392mi/qt.



I began monitoring miles and replacement oil quantities, topping up whenever the level was down more than 1/8 the distance between the two dip stick marks (which the manual says represent about 1.6qt, so 1/8 is about 6oz). Interestingly, miles/qt varied considerably throughout this period. In one instance, I drove 150 miles to the track, ran two DE track days, and used only 4 oz. Following the return trip, however, it took 16 oz to top it up. I continued to keep the log for a couple more weeks, at the end of which average oil mileage throughout the log period 398 miles/qt!



What was going on? No smoke in the exhaust, nothing on the garage floor, no oil collecting in the pan beneath the engine, no oil being carried back by the air stream so as to coat the underside (all of which have happened on occasion due to a leak of one fluid or another). So, the oil was getting burned and the cat was taking care of it. Checked plugs, all clean. Checked compression, all good.



What's left? Two remaining possibilities are worn valve seals/guides or a vacuum leak. While mentally tallying up the cost of the former, I checked for the latter using my homemade vac tester (see "Vacuum Leak Tester" in the Testing 1-2-3 topic). Big time leak! Can hear it too, but can't pin point its location. Removed the hose coming from the air oil separator at the throttle body, and plugged both hole and hose. No leak! That suggested the AOS is somehow involved (maybe a cracked body or bad seals?). The prospect of removing the intake manifold (and snapping a bolt or two in the process), so as to get to the AOS, was not appealing. I figured let's try the simplest/cheapest thing first, namely replacing the 4x45 o-ring in the oil filler cap.



I can happily, and somewhat surprisedly, say that was the fix! I've since driven 400+ miles without

burning any oil, let alone nearly a quart as before. The 19 year old o-ring was dried up, and being unpliable (an understatement) wasn't sealing well. I think the variations in mi/qt reported above can be explained by inconsistent tightening of the cap after each of the many oil adds. One thing bothers me: while it was off I ran a swab up the hose part way to the AOS, and it didn't show any sign of oil; you'd think if the intake was sucking oil mist, there'd be some sign.



It's hard to believe a vacuum leak can have such a profound effect on oil consumption, but that's what the result implies. I'd be interested in hearing if there are other interpretations of this result. Meanwhile, replace those petrified o-rings!
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#2

Wow...whood a thunk it?
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#3

I wonder if the NEW Canton oil filter has anything to do with the ridiculous oil consumption level in the tip car. ( about 1 quart every 200 miles ) I have the old style Canton filter in the 6 speed, but they changed the "lid" on those filters recently so if whatever o ring they have does not provide a seal as tight as the previous models, I might have a vacuum leak caused by this new filter. ?? Does anyone her have the new Canton filter in their cars ? Any oil consumption reports ?
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I have the new style Canton filter, and the oil consumption has been phenomenally low - barely measurable, even under track duty.
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[quote name='ds968' timestamp='1386440887' post='153372']I wonder if the NEW Canton oil filter has anything to do with the ridiculous oil consumption level in the tip car. ( about 1 quart every 200 miles ) I have the old style Canton filter in the 6 speed, but they changed the "lid" on those filters recently so if whatever o ring they have does not provide a seal as tight as the previous models, I might have a vacuum leak caused by this new filter. ?? Does anyone her have the new Canton filter in their cars ? Any oil consumption reports ?[/quote]



NO change .if you have oilpressure , vacuum has nothing to do with the oilfilter .

If any bad o ring there it wil show up on the outside .

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#6

Got it, thanks, will look elsewhere for the culprit. There are no leaks of any kind no sign of oil in the coolant no smoke coming out of the exhaust, vacuum gauge reading is pretty much where it should be, so I'll monitor the next few hundred miles closely and see if gets worse or better ..
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#7

I've monitored my oil consumption for quite a while now, and with a driving style that really does not change much from one week to the next , the consumption is still very erratic : sometimes I get close to 1000 mil per one quart and sometimes I get no more than 600.

Also I seem to be using coolant a bit more that I feel it should but not sure . The oil looks very clean so no milky coolant residue seeping into it, and conversely , the coolant is also clean, no oil in it at all. Both just seem to " evaporate " at a more accelerated rate the my six speed 968. That one is not that all that great on oil either ( maybe 800 mi / qt. average ) , but it almost never loses coolant .

Both have fairly new head gaskets ..for whatever that's worth. Oil pressure gauge always right where it should be, never problem with overheating , so I'm not overly concerned about this but just posting results..
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#8

replace your coolant reservoir cap. when it gets weak, coolant gets pumped out the overflow hose. you likely would never notice it, as that hose goes directly to the ground.
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#9

If I fill mine halfway between min and max, it also looses coolant through the overflow hose. I bought a new cap. When it stands very close to the minimum, it stays that way. The car always nice and cool though, no matter what. Maybe the new cap is too sensitive?
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#10

i think our cap is rated for at least 19lbs. the system will absolutely generate 16lbs of pressure, so if your cap is anywhere near 16, it will open up and vent coolant.



we just went through this on a car here. much better now
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#11

Ordering a new cap today
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So I got a new cap on Thursday, the coolant level when cold was just below the Min. mark, and yet both on Friday and today I had small coolant puddles ( maybe 2"-3" in diameter ) deposited on my driveway , right under the spot where the overflow hose is. New cap and all, but it's still spewing out coolant , so what now ?! We've had extreme heat ( for NorCal anyway ) the last couple of days but while driving the temp gauge is right where it should be, never goes to even the third bar, so it's not as if the car is overheating .. What else can cause this ?
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#13

bleed the system. call me if you need the procedure.
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#14

Ok, thanks.
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' ya know, I think I may have the dubious honor of owning the only 968 whose oil consumption variance is so great from one month to the next ( without any change in driving habits ) that there is no explanation for it whatsoever .. So after talking to Flash I started checking the oil level with the engine completely cold, as opposed to the previous method of checking it after you run the engine or drive for a while , and then at rest. I'm adding oil only when it shows that it's at the minimum level line, which also coincides with the warning light coming on. But whether cold or hot , when the check oil level and " ! " lights come on, the dipstick always shows the fill level at min. So I add a quart. And now for the weird part : some times I get almost 1,000 miles on one quart, and some times I get no more than 400 mi. And this seems to alternate consistently . WTF ?!
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#16

FWIW, my car's oil consumption is pretty variable, without any obvious relationship to driving habits or top-up quantity. It always gets topped up to the max line and usually with around 0.5L, as my driveway is quite steep and the angle triggers the 'low oil' light early.



It's been as low as 0.1L/1,000km and as high as 0.75L/1,000km, but seems to average out over time to around 0.5L/1,000km*. I tend to think that as long as it's being monitored regularly, not up near the 1.5L/1,000km given in the manual and not showing an upward trend it's probably ok.



Michael



*Obsessive? Who's obsessive…?!
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#17

this could easily be a situation of rings not expanding. they form their seal when warm. if you go and trounce on it before they have warmed up, the oil will wash right into the cylinders and burn away.



again though, more data logging is required.



p.s. - the difference between "min" and "max" on the dipstick is 1.6qts or 1.5 liters
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[quote name='ds968' timestamp='1406427334' post='160527']So I got a new cap on Thursday, the coolant level when cold was just below the Min. mark, and yet both on Friday and today I had small coolant puddles ( maybe 2"-3" in diameter ) deposited on my driveway , right under the spot where the overflow hose is. New cap and all, but it's still spewing out coolant , so what now ?! We've had extreme heat ( for NorCal anyway ) the last couple of days but while driving the temp gauge is right where it should be, never goes to even the third bar, so it's not as if the car is overheating .. What else can cause this ?[/quote]



How's the coolant cap doing? Just found out my new cap was indeed rated at 1 bar (16 psi), got another one from the dealer. 1,5 bar (21,8 psi). Much better now :-)



Ordering a new cap and assuming it's ok is clearly ... not ok.
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#19

New coolant cap ( although that wasn't the issue I had with losing coolant , there was a hairline crack in the reservoir spout so I got a brand new reservoir also ) . There is no oil residue in the coolant whatsoever, nor vice versa - so the car is just burning oil unevenly but does not bother me that much, just curious why the pattern is so inconsistent .
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[quote name='flash' timestamp='1412025886' post='162619']this could easily be a situation of rings not expanding. they form their seal when warm. if you go and trounce on it before they have warmed up, the oil will wash right into the cylinders [/quote]



I never trounce on it for at least the first few minutes of driving when cold ( not sure how much time it takes before it's considered warmed up though..). In fact, I try not to even exceed 4k rpm for that initial couple of minutes. That aside, either you ( ? ) or my mechanic, or both of you ( having a senior moment now so I can't recall.. ) told me that once week I should lug the car uphill in high gear, so at very low rpm , for maybe just one minute which supposedly forces the rings to expand and also supposedly that's a good thing for the engine . Yes ? No ? Maybe that will even out oil consumption as well..?
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