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Winemaking Oregon (Let's face it, ALL Wine topics here)

Grape leaves are like finger prints. Each varietal has a different variation on the basic grape leaf shape. If you google the variety of grape you thing you have, you should be able to see the an image of the grape leaf and compare it to what you see on the vine.

 

The grape harvest in Oregon is on track that is unless we get rain in September like we did last year. it has been consistent warm, with a couple of e day hot spells where temperatures approached 100 degrees.

 

I'm told by my contacts in California that the harvest is going to be early. But then it has been getting earlier every year do to climate change.

 

Robert, are you monitoring the ripeness of you grapes? 

 

The bitterness you tasted in the grape skins are from tannin. The barrel and bottle aging will moderate the bitterness with time.

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Investigate the leaf shape, thanks Chris.  And I've not yet bottled the 25litres we put into the oak barrel some 4 months back.  Life has taken a strained change with the sudden ill health of my mother in law, so flights to UK and other commitments have meant a serious change in priorities.  If we "lose" that 25 litres so be it, there's always next year.  This harvest is shaping up well, Ill post a shot tomorrow if I remember.  Cheers

 

Oh, DS, yep Tux cat is a real character .... makes us smile a lot, lots of attitude!

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Here you go.  The grapes are changing nicely.  I've just tasted one .... the flesh is sweet, but hopefully will become sweeter, and the skin has almost no bitterness, unlike the Grenache/Carignan I tried yesterday.

 

   

 

It looks like travel restrictions are about to overtake our planned return to UK so maybe we'll keep busy by bottling that 25L barrel ..... a distraction.
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Nice crop, verasion seems to be progressing nicely. Think about harvesting when the titratable acidity reaches 6g/L. This should bring thepH of your finished wine in at somewhere between 3.3 and 3.8. At harvest you Brix should be at about 24 degrees. A higher Brix, say 26 or more results in a higher alcohol wine. Ideally you want your alcohol to be no less than 12 or 13% and ideally no greater than 14.5. When I make wine for my personal consumption I shoot for 14% with a finished pH at about 3.4. The last red wine I made for personal consumption hit its peak at 8 years. One was a Bordeaux blend of Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, and Petit Verdot, and the other a Loire style Cabernet Franc.

 

Assuming that we purchase house sometime before the 2021 harvest. I'll purchase about a 500 lbs of Pinot Noir and make some wine. I have never vinted Pinot Noir so it will be a learning experience. Pinot Noir is notoriously difficult to produce.

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Chris,  Robert, could smoke by itself  (  the heavy smoke from the fires we’re experiencing )  cause damage to grapes / skins in their current state , or possibly even damage somehow the vines ?  Can it permeate to that extent if it lingers for as long as it has over the vineyards ?  No idea if the grape skins or vines can absorb and retain any given amount of smoke if the duration of the exposure to it is daily, for weeks ...
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Dan  I was going to prattle on about vineyards being fumigated etc verses the uncontrolled "fumigation" by the sort of smoke you are experiencing ..... but then I thought Chris will have much better information, so I'll keep quiet and learn something too!

 

I do have some photos from a couple of years back of fires at the edge of our village.  I shall try to locate and post.

 

However, in the meantime here's some present day scenes from Tuchan .....

 

The vendange/harvest of the whites started last Monday, three weeks ahead of last year.  I love it when the activity steps up, like worker ants going back and forth to the cooperative.

 

Our "terrace crop" continues to develop well, but they are sweet and so will be harvested last; maybe another month.

 

Then in the glasses is last year's harvest.  The light/blush is sort of okay but a bit high on alcohol and low on taste.  However the darker has just come out of 5 months in oak and is immediately very drinkable.  Definite dessert wine with a decent taste; not too sugary, not too oaky .... I'm really surprised!!

 

We have decided to pour the blush into the oak barrel as we have 6 months before it is needed again ... we'll see what happens.  Chris, can one wear out the oaking effect??  The vigneron here change their barrels after 3 or 4 years .... is that a hygiene or a taste or a colour thing? 

 

   

 

 

And finally I wish you all well in these difficult times.... Keep well y'all Smile

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First, to answer Dan's question. Fire smoke contains chemicals, phenols to be specific, that can affect wine. Phenols contained in smoke particles that land on grape skins, while the grapes are on the vine, may pass through the grape skin and be absorbed into the grape. Wine made from these grapes will have a smokiness component the flavor. Smoke taint, as it is referred to, is a fault or defect in wine. Smoke taint can be removed from wine, but the process also impacts the wine flavor in other ways. I've tasted smoke tainted wine and wine which has been cleaned up and didn't care for either.

 

Wine grape growers in California all have crop insurance for things like smoke taint and crop loss due to fire so there isn't much of an incentive to go through a process that may alter the wine flavor in other ways. There is a substantial amount of wine in storage from the last couple of bumper crops, so a wine maker with no fruit can purchase wine and market it under his own label if need be.

 

Robert, most commercial winemakers use barrels for three years and then sell them off. a barrel is said to be neutral after three fills. In fact they are not, you just have to leave the wine in the barrel for a longer period of time to impart the oak influence you are looking for. It is a matter of economics, if you use older barrels your wine is in residence in the winery barrel house for a longer period of time. The extended storage is expensive because of the space required. The best Cabernet Sauvignon we made at Longevity during my tenure there was in 2011 when I filled an 8 year old Francois Freres barrel and then let the wine age for 4 years. The result was a Best in Class award at the San Francisco International Wine Competition.

 

As your present crop ripens, pay close attention to the sugar levels. Iy don't want a wine high n alcohol, consider harvesting your fruit when the sugar level is 24 or 25 degrees Brix. Also make sure your acid levels are in the proper range.

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Thanks Chris, older barrels longer storage; that works for us. I was originally going to leave our wine in the barrel for 3 months, but life got in the way so it was 5 months before bottling. I guess guys like me can just have a taste after X months and see what it's like, if not okay then top up and try again later ...... This sound like a slippery slope...


Harvest this year is a problem. We have to go to UK ..... will need to isolate in UK, return to France, isolate again, travel is a nightmare at the moment.


Hey, and congrats on the Best in class!!
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Thanks, Chris, and yes , congratulations ! 

Robert, what a PITA (  “commute“ with dual isolation ) but some places in France seem to be on an uptick,  while in UK they’re reporting a very good decline .. this damn think is a friggin roller coaster .   Be safe !  

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As promised here's some photos of the fires of 2018 taken from our top floor.  We had the cat gathered up and were ready to go, but by good fortune the wind blew the fire across the face of the hills behind us so we didn't need to evacuate.   My photos are the happy snaps of the fires ... the arty one of the dove was taken by my wife.

 

   

 

   

 

   

 

Almost no vines were burnt, maybe just a few acres, so I must ask the vigneron if they took any special attention to the elaboration in 2018.  There are frequently fires in this region, but this one took place just as the harvest was due, as in the week prior to the start, so there were a few worried vigneron for a few days.

 

As I have posted many times ... good luck to you guys with all the fires/hurricanes etc around you.

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California's experience with wine country fires is that large vineyards are actually effective fire breaks because they are wetter than the surrounding land. You will get some perimeter vine scorching which the vines may or may not survive.

 

There was a time when vine grape vineyards were not irrigated, but these old school dry farmed vineyards have mostly disappeared. Almost all vineyards have some form of irrigation brought on by global climate change. California is becoming hotter and dryer. A vineyard irrigation system could be called upon to raise the moisture level in a vineyard making it somewhat more fire resistant.

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Quote:As promised here's some photos of the fires of 2018 taken from our top floor.  We had the cat gathered up and were ready to go, but by good fortune the wind blew the fire across the face of the hills behind us so we didn't need to evacuate.   My photos are the happy snaps of the fires ... the arty one of the dove was taken by my wife.

 

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Almost no vines were burnt, maybe just a few acres, so I must ask the vigneron if they took any special attention to the elaboration in 2018.  There are frequently fires in this region, but this one took place just as the harvest was due, as in the week prior to the start, so there were a few worried vigneron for a few days.

 

As I have posted many times ... good luck to you guys with all the fires/hurricanes etc around you.

 

 

Hooooly s**t  !!    That’s way to close for comfort.. two years ago or not ,  I can imagine the memory is still harrowing.

 
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Hooooly s**t  !!    That’s way to close for comfort.. two years ago or not ,  I can imagine the memory is still harrowing.

 
 

Not too bad for us as we are aware there are fires hereabouts every year, however I cannot speak on behalf of ......

 

   

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I thought you guys would like this ....

 

A friend came for dinner on Wednesday and bought this wine with him.  He's a vigneron and on the board of a co-operative not far from here; this is one of their lines.  They are an interesting Cave, quite small production, yet made the decision a few years back to go entirely Bio, and they are building a good reputation.  Each year they choose a different theme for some of their production and this year it was freedom/feminism/America, as depicted by the Title and the shot of the Grand Canyon.

 

I'll bet you weren't expecting that from rural French winemakers!

 

   

 

Oh, and I meant to say about the smoke effect ..... apparently the vinification of the "smoked" grapes takes place separately to the rest, but if the resulting brew is considered okay then it just gets added in to the rest.  I understand the whole lot was eventually mixed together. 
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Not too bad for us as we are aware there are fires hereabouts every year, however I cannot speak on behalf of ......

 

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greetings to yours from ours ..   we have his evacuation carrying case with the essentials in , ready just in case ..

 

   
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Robert, one of things I have always enjoyed about the winemaking community is the universality of it all. Winemakers all over the world share their ideas, successes and failures. The big commercial wines in this county try to design wine labels that will catch your eye. The small boutique wineries, like the one I worked at in California often design labels featuring art, scenery, and in the case of Longevity, the winery dog. The winery produces bottle of wine every year. I decided it should be a right bank Bordeaux blend, predominantly Merlot, Cabernet Franc and a splash of Petit Verdot. The label was a painting of the dog.

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[quote name="ds968" post="190697" timestamp="1599242274"]greetings to yours from ours ..   we have his evacuation carrying case with the essentials in , ready just in case ..

 
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Nice fluffy, calm looking cat Dan, but we'd better stop this "tux cat love in" else were gonna get slammed by the rest of the forum Smile Smile
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Chris, I'd be really interested to know what sells a wine. I'm sure that reputation plays a part, especially at the high end. But then I assume there's also making your label stand out from the crowd. Does the description/advice really convince anyone's? I'm sure the marketing people have done lots of research, but does the reality of sales concur?


PS My counter has been stuck on 425 posts for ages...
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Youse cat peoples. Gads. Enough already. If you must obsess place the cat by your car in the pic. 

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Here you go,  a photo of the cat on my 968    Wink

 


 

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