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Winemaking Oregon (Let's face it, ALL Wine topics here)
#61

We have been walking around the lake to get in some exercise. Now the pristine views will be gone as I carefully make sure I watch where I am stepping. Hope that heals quickly. Don’t go to the doctor or hospital for that injury unless you have too. Perhaps this is an opportunity to sample new spirits!

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#62

Quote:........... Perhaps this is an opportunity to sample new spirits!
Funny you should say that, after I hobbled home I decided to have a glass of "Woodford Reserve Bourbon " ...... and then another, and then another ..... it turned into a pleasant afternoon; feet up on the sofa, drinking whiskey and chatting!
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#63

I hope you weren’t chatting to yourself!

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#64

Hi guys how are the vines shaping up? We had a couple of weeks of steady rain so the aquifer should be good and full. This year I plan to mostly stay out of the picture and let nature do its thing; I think I over watered last year. Already our vine is going berserk....    

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#65

You are a little further ahead than we are in Oregon. We are just a few weeks past bud break. Some thoughts on irrigating grape wines:

 

1. Over watering isn't necessarily a bad thing. Grape vines are a riparian species that thrives on moisture, so regulation of the amount of water the vines receive is important to controlling vigor. Vines, were irrigation is controlled, produce better fruit.

 

2. When the vines go into verasion, that period when the grapes ripen and sweeten, irrigation should be greatly reduced or cut off entirely in order to cause the vines to focus on ripening the fruit. 

 

3. In Oregon and California, the ideal production level for a vineyard producing fine wines is 3 tons per acre. Under ideal conditions a mature vine should not be allowed to produce more 10 full clusters.

 

4. Producers of cheap mass produced wines are cropping at anywhere from 5 to 7 tons per acre.

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#66

Thanks Chris, especially for item 2 which I think is when the grapes are, in my case, turning from green to purple/black.  I now have a few bits of your advice/experience to remember - thanks. We are soon going to extract last season's wine from that little oak cask (15/20Ltr) I think.  We tipped it up and sealed the opening with a food grade plastic bung and wax, hopefully that kept the air out.  When we've emptied it I'll measure the hole and get a SS tap for next time.

 

Rap - are you still enjoying your walks or are you guys back at work now?  I was scanning back through this theme and note your comment about my ankle from April 7th.  I didn't go to the doctor, and am happy about that, but 6 weeks later my ankle is still not 100%. However, I'm no longer an athlete so it doesn't really matter provided I can make it to the wine cellar and back.

 

Don't know about you guys, but the weather here has just turned for the better; time to roll the roof back and head out onto empty country roads Smile
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#67

Robo we are not back to work yet. I’m in a state with a democratic governor. You can go to Walmart or sams to buy clothes both not to a Macy’s. You can’t go to a state store to buy booze but beer stores have remained open. They do now allow online booze sales and curbside pickup at select stores though. Although I initially supported his decisions as thoughtful I now wonder. Just cuz your old doesn’t mean your ankle shouldn’t be 100%. I’ve never done so much yard work and projects around the house as I’ve been doing. Hate this stuff but needs to get done and not like I don’t have time. Someday soon I hope to be back at the track. This pause has given some of us a taste of retirement which is an opportunity most never get. Thank god the mass murdering terrorist Chinese regime has given us this wonderful chance to see this stage of out life.

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#68

Hey Rap, I hope that means the yard work won't need to be done again for quite some time, and that you can devote your time to things you really want to do .... pimping your 968s!!! 

"Just cuz your old" .... well thanks for that!!  Smile  Smile   only joking.  Unfortunately a slowing metabolism is unavoidable.  I don't feel old, it's just that my body reminds me every now and again that I'm no longer in my 20s, the healing process is now sooooo slow.

Okay, I must go and do a bit more painting.  The great thing about being in the middle of decorating is that we can get away with the house being a bit messy when we have guests for dinner!!!!

Cheers all Smile

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#69

Robo, only if you’re not ocd

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#70

Wine, liqueur , beer .. all good things .  So now with the quasi-relaxed SIP regs in some regions, here’s to opening drinking venues ...this bar / pub has a suitable suggestion  :


   

 

 

 

 

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#71

Good one Dan, I sent that on to a friend who owns a pub in UK Smile

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#72

Some observations about the climatic conditions that will impact the 2020 vintage in Oregon. Climate conditions look to be a repeat of 2015 in some areas and that may not be a good thing. In the Willamette Valley 2015 was a hot year and it is definitely reflected in the wine. I’ve not found a 2015 Pinot Noir that I like. To me they taste as if they were made from over ripe fruit, overly tannic and in some cases the wines are unbalanced, the relationship between acid, tannins, and alcohol content is off.

 

When summertime temperatures get to warm, Pinot Noir grapes develop tough tannic skins. The PNW style calls for a 7 to 10 day cold soak before fermentation is initiated. The purpose of the cold soak is to facilitate the extraction of color and tannins. I don't know if winemakers made any adjustments in soak time. By way of comparison, the 2016's are much better and the 2017's better still.

 

The climatological data that I just reviewed suggests that conditions will be on a similar trajectory to 2015 in the Willamette with southern Oregon and Eastern Washington, both wine grape producing locations, experiencing drought conditions. Another issue for growers and vintners to wary of is mildew. The Pacific waters offshore are warmer resulting in evening temperatures being warmer and more moist which, in turn, increase the potential for mildew to attack the grapes.

 

Now that COVID-19 restrictions are loosening, is I'll start looking for a job.
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#73

Hi Chris et al, I thought you might like to see how our terrace grapes are coming along. Summer so far has been cooler and wetter than normal, but now things are hotting up.. 30C today. So the grapes look fair well inflated, now I hope for some serious ripening.

Interesting what you said Chris about the possibilities for the season: in 2013 it was hard to get a decent bottle of red in this region. 2014 was a bit better, and 2015 was like shooting fish in a barrel. But when you're not allowed to irrigate (under aoc regs.) then you get what nature provides.

   
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#74

What varietal gapes are these?

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#75

Just got this from a wine fanatic friend of mine ( we’re talking about a 5,000 + bottle private cellar ) .   Although I’d like to believe what’s alleged in the article is true, I’m very skeptical ...likely 90% is promotional fluff based on little more than anecdotal info and some very limited quasi-scientific studies .. but hey, it does not diminish in any way the appeal of wine, and even if 10% of the health benefits it offers is true ... that’s good enough for me !

 

https://food.ndtv.com/health/red-wine-be...ay-1219416

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[quote name="Chris Vais" post="190165" timestamp="1593016539"]What varietal gapes are these?[/quote]


I'm not exactly sure Chris. I was told they are Muscat d'Alexandria (also known as Muscat Romano) but my understanding is they are white grapes and mine turn lighting black. The color of the wine is a light red akin to Pinot, not deep like Grenache. So I'm a tad confused, but they make a terrific display and taste good so I'm not exactly concerned.


Dan .... Any excuse to drink good wine eh?
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#77

Robert,

So I did a background search on your grape. It turns out that Muscat of Alexandria is an ancient vine which is to say that it is one of the oldest varietal wine grape that has been genetically modified to produce better wine. In the wine grape business, genetically modified means that the grape varietal has been hybridized. This varietal was probably cultivated by the Egyptians.

 

Thrives in a hot climate and is prone to producing a high alcohol wine that is often blended into wines to raise alcohol content in cool years when wine grapes may not achieve a desirable Brix prior to harvest. As it turns out the wine made from these grapes can vary from white to red. I suspect the longer you let them hang on the vine, the tendency will be to produce a darker colored wine, but also one with higher alcohol content.

 

Dan,

 

So most of the health benefits attributed to Red wine are generally correct. There are cosmetics manufactures who use red wine pomace to make facial cosmetics. The antioxidant benefits are well established and it is true that Pinot Noir has heifer levels of antioxidants.

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#78

Interesting Chris, so if it can produce reds then it must have dark skin. The skin color changes late in the season so I'll post photos again I late August. It was the skin color that was confusing me as what I had read seemed to indicate just white, so now I'm happier about calling them Muscat d'Alexandrie.

Have a good weekend to all, and enjoy that wine.


Hey Dan .... do you drink reds all year around? Don't you find it a little heavy in Summer? Or do you chill them down? The French seem to have a herd mentality...... once the temperature steps up they pretty much all switch over to rosé.
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#79

Nothing like a good rose in the summer. We know drink it year round!

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#80

We drink Reds year-round, though on a hot day there is nothing better than a Sauvignon Blanc or Rose' at lunchtime.

 

Jay

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