[Waylander]

Dont want to upset you, but a new wing is only $600 from Porsche, I would pay $1000 not to have all that filler in the wing,

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[pdxmike]

Wait -- what?? 

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[pdxmike]

Oh my gosh, you are right. Sunset lists it for $850. Has to come over from Germany, but still. 

 

I had no idea body parts would be available new, let alone so cheaply. Unfortunately I have to pay the man either way at this point. 

 

The bondo hadn't been sanded yet in that pic. It's really just a skim coat. The before pic isn't so bad. Still. Factory metal is way way better. 

 

This vinyl wrap business has been, by far, one of my biggest automotive misadventures/mistakes, and I've had a few. It continues to punish me in surprising and unexpected ways. 

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[Waylander]

I guess we all live and learn, but a wrapped car always has my alarm bells ringing, unless I knew the car before it was wrapped


Especially as over here a good wrap job costs 50% of a cheap paint job, a man I know just had his black car wrapped mint green

nearly $3000

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[Rap]

How long does a wrap last?

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[pdxmike]

Yes, I had the seller send me extensive pics of the car pre-wrap. There were more than a few nondisclosure issues. I should not have trusted this seller. Supposedly this wrap was a $4200 job.


3M says the wrap will not cause damage if removed before 3 years. I had issues with the bumper wrap bubbling and decided to remove it all at the 2 year 11 month mark. It was still in decent shape elsewhere. In hindsight it would have been far better to have just had the bumper rewrapped.


3M says the life of the wrap is 7 years but they strongly recommend removing it at 3 years as the adhesive becomes progressively harder to remove.

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[Ryan]

Also, horizontal surfaces (roof/hood) go way before the vertical surfaces on a wrap. I don't think 7 years is a real figure unless the car is garaged most of the time and just taken out for rides. I have seen paint destroyed by leaving vinyl on too long. 

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[Spokayman]

I bought a (slightly) older brother to keep Ava (my 968 cab) company.

Its a 95 Carrera 993, built about two months before Ava in June, 1994.


The 1995 model year was a strange one for Porsche in that production of the 968 and 928 models ended, and production of the 993 began. I believe the only cars Porsche built during the 1995 calendar year, and maybe the 1996 calendar year as well, were the 993. Though the 993 was air cooled, original planning was for a water cooled engine to be used in it.


I have only had it for two days and I am enjoying comparing and contrasting the two understanding that they came down the same production line about 60 days apart, were likely assembled by some of the same production line workers, and certain common parts like seats, knobs, relays, etc might have come from the same bins or lots.

Those of you whove owned 993s know they are very different, yet somehow they have the same DNA making them unlike anything else built at that time.


Photo with Mt. Shasta in Northern California in the background. I am on my way back to eastern WA from the SF Bay Area where I bought it.

   

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[pdxmike]

Beautiful 993, congratulations!


Curious, what is the power and handling like compared with the 968?

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[J.Elenbaas]

Recently replaced the hydraulic engine mounts, clutch parts including fork-bearings and shaft, crankshaft bearing and radial seal.

Followed by 4 belts and all seals on that side of the engine, needed to buy a new radiator, replaced waterpump and cleaned thermostat housing (replaced seals etc.).

Renewed engine oil and added new coolant.

 

For this week i have planned to change the gearbox oil and ignition parts (plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor).

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[No.15]

So...how difficult did you find the engine mount replacement? This is on my list to do

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[MCL968]

Some friendly advice about the gearbox oil change. If you have a manual, be certain you loosen the filler plug first. I loosened the drain plug first, drained out all the fluid, then I couldn't get the filler plug out. At that point I had a bone dry transmission and no way to put fluid back into it. Rookie mistake! Also, note the orientation of the rotor before you remove it so you can put the new one on in the same orientation.

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[MCL968]

Oh, and regarding the motor mount change. My mechanic insists that all you need to do is loosen the crossmember and let it drop a bit, and jack up the motor as far as you can get it to go, and the mounts will come right out. He has been working on these cars since they were new and he has never had to drop the crossmember entirely.

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[J.Elenbaas]

I know the way to go for changing the gearbox fluids, but thanks anyway for the advice....better to much warnings then none.

 

Regarding the mounts, the one close to the exhaust manifold is the difficult one due to limited space.

I loosened the crossmember completely and jacked up the engine as far as it would go but still wanted to have more room to take the old ones out.

Placing the new mounts is a small strugle, but doable.

I had problems taking out one bolt from the old one, and had to use a sawblade to cut the mount (as the bolt was not reachable with the blade) close to the exhaust manifold into pieces untill it was clear.

Took me an hour or 2, but it's done now.  

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[Spokayman]

Beautiful 993, congratulations!


Curious, what is the power and handling like compared with the 968?

The 993 is a bit quicker, partially due to shorter gearing I believe. It does have 36 more HP and similarly higher torque. And my 993 coupe weighs about 200 lbs less than my 968 cab. Its a little over a second quicker to 60mph I believe even before the weight difference between coupe and cab. Comparing coupe with coupe or cab with cab the weights are actually similar.


The flat six seems quicker to rev up too, as if there is less reciprocating mass in the engine. Torque seems good, but the 968s torque feels slightly better somehow.


The 993 ride is good, quiet, and just a little bit nervous, wanting to wander slightly. Though my 968 rides more firmly, I like its composed, less skittish handling better on a highway or freeway.

In corners its a bit of a toss up. They handle differently from each other but the best way to sum it up is that the 993 feels more minutely controllable (like being able to aim and correct to exactly where you want on a curve, within inches), whereas the 968 feels more stable and planted if not quite as controllable or correctable mid curve.


That is all I have been able to detect for now. I am sure I will continue to find commonalities and differences.


For years I have understood the appeal of Porsches transaxle cars, and now I am beginning to understand the air cooled 911 mystique a bit better. I have owned a 996 Carrera, but it was very different than this 993.

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[pdxmike]

Thanks for the summary. It would make sense that the 993 would be a little more nimble given the relative lack of weight in the front. The flat 6 design in those things is magestic. Super interesting cars.

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[ds968]

Coupe to coupe comparison, the 993 is a bit quicker both 0-60 and 1/4 mi., the higher HP and torque helps, but also the rear engine power goes almost directly to the wheels, whereas the transaxle power loss is said to be as much as 15% ( other reports estimate it to be only about 12% , but still significant ). I tested the published stats of the two cars against a friends 993 many years ago , before my car was supercharged , and whilst off the line he stayed about a car or two ahead for maybe the first half mile, much to my surprise, after 120-125mph or so the 968 caught up and pulled ahead, but not by any significant margin. I asked him if he let off the gas because he was afraid to drive at that speed , lol, and he said, not at all ..so not sure if the 968 has better aerodynamics, or its the gearing ( probably that ) , but the 993 should have the advantage at high speeds as well by virtue of that extra horsepower and torque. Same friend who also had a 964 , and repeating the above mentioned feat, the 968 did not even have a prayer, we did not go much beyond 90 mph, given how far behind the 968 was, there would have been no point to it.

Too bad I gave up these kind of stunts shortly after the car was SCd, youd think thats exactly when I would be roaming the streets and highways looking for prey, lol, but Im older ( and hopefully wiser ) , so just knowing that I have that power and torque at my disposal, seems to satisfy the need for speed just by itself . All I did is test the 0-60 and 1/4 mile with the dynolicious app, and took it on a fairly empty , very straight segment of a highway to see what its new top speed was. Did that only once, and never again.

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[Waylander]

I was invited along to The Cranleigh Classiscs Show and Auto Jumble by the


The Independent Porsche Enthusiasts Club, which in the Uk is a big club, the show was huge 1,295 show cars apparently according to the show MC

Mine was the only 968, lots of 944s even 4 356s, two 928s, and of course as I was informed by a passer by the 10 or so very rare 911 SCs


Not sure these fools know what rare is

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[ds968]

Rare ? The 1980 911 SC are a dime a dozen , and they’re complete crap ( IMO ) in any way you can think of them , but people still offer idiotic money for those . Inexplicable !

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[pdxmike]

Since were talking crummy aircooled cars - yesterday I sold the 914 I restored between 2011 and 2016. Partly to cover the ever-escalating costs of paint repair on the 968, but mostly because I was just feeling done - done! - endlessly wrenching on the thing.


It was a fun car and it did turn out really well. When I met my 968, though, well... things were just kind of over between us.


I learned a lot from the project - it was my first and probably only bare metal resto. Had no idea at the outset it would grow into a half-decade project, let alone turn me into a virtuoso with 110V MIG welder and a bottle of C25.  :lol: A marriage and 2 kids later, time to downsize to single Porsche ownership.

Glad to see it go to a new home, hopefully one where it will get driven a lot.


   


   


   


   

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