[Bill]

I have the factory speakers in my 1995 CAB. I have changed the head unit but feel the need to upgrade speakers in fact add speakers. Anyone have thoughts on best choices at moderate cost?



Thanks



Bill Roe

95 CAB

Polar Silver

Factory Phone

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[flash]

i would be happy to help you with this - sound is a very subjective area, and helping you determine what you want involves a detailed discussion that i would be quite happy to have - email me and we can do the phone number thing and try to get you sorted out so you can choose components that fit your audio and budgetary needs

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[rhudeboye]

So Bob. Any chance you remember what you told this guy?

Since I installed the D3 Ive been looking to change out the door speakers and add a sub, I called crutchfield and was told nothing will fit. Nothing? I then started combing the forum for information on what others liked. Outside of Pats (porsche dudes) write up and your reference to your infinity's I didnt see any others.

Are you still using the same infinity's in your doors or did you change them out?

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[flash]

the factory speakers are actually quite good - the installation that porsche did was quite bad - the deck also sucks

you already have a D3, so you're in good shape on the deck

we just did a full treatment to ds968s car, and KEPT the 6 factory speakers - VERY nice sound - no amps - no extra gadgets - all he has is a blaupunkt heidleburg

it's a bit of effort, and takes the better part of a day, but the change is amazing - a few other guys heard it at the german autofest last weekend - they will all say the same thing - it sounds like a MUCH more expensive system

basically we used dynamat extreme all over the back end of the car, and did the rear speaker enclosure mod that is here on the site - if you follow the steps to the letter, and don't shortcut or cheap out on materials, you'll be amazed

but don't take my word for it - ask ds968, t-bone, jeffski, hwu, or sbdrivingdotcom - they all heard it

there is good bottom end, but if you like boom, then a sub would be needed, but it won't take much

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[ebarone968]

http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/default_en.htm


I just used Hertz speakers. If you have a local rep give him the measurements. I will check the box to see which model they were. Great sound for my taste

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[flash]

again, my point is that there is nothing wrong with the nokia speakers - the two problems are the installation that porsche did (which absolutely sucks) and the factory deck itself (which also sucks)

are aftermarket speakers better? perhaps, but changing speakers, if you are not planning to add amplifiers, is really a waste of time and money - spend it on the sound treatment and gain the extra benefits of a quieter car overall

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[Darryl]

flash, we are very much on the same page when it comes to audio, considering it's what we do (or have done) for a living, but I simply replaced the head unit and speakers in my cab using all the factory locations and I'm damn tickled at the results. No extra dynamat, insulation, etc. and I ended up with very nice sound even with top down. I did add the powered subs from Kenwood that I have tucked behind each seats which make a huge difference since there's little to no chance for bass in the cabs. It's obviously been a couple of years since you heard it in person at Hershey, but I think you were quite surprised with the overall sound.

My factory speakers were dryrotted and the foam surrounds were non-existent, so while you're right about the Nokia factory speakers not being that bad, at this point, they are old and have been subject to many seasons of temperature change, doors slamming, possible moisture, etc. It certainly can't hurt to replace them and if you're not looking to spend tons of money on a system, this may be the way lot of guys choose to go.

- Darryl

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[Johannvb]

I want to replace my speakers too. I don't care about sub woofers etc, All I want is a good set of speakers, and do not want to dynamat my car.

I would really appreciate Manufacturer and model numbers of speakers that will fit.

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[DaveN]

Hertz and Infinity Reference Series fit just fine. I put in the Inifinity's without a hitch. There is even room inside the plastic door panel to attach the crossovers nicely. If you search the forum you will find I had posted the exact part numbers. They sound great after the read cubby mod and dryer hose fix.

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[rhudeboye]

<!--quoteo(post=81533:date=Oct 9 2009, 11:55 AM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Oct 9 2009, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->you already have a D3, so you're in good shape on the deck

if you like boom, then a sub would be needed, but it won't take much<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

BTW- I'm swapping the D3 for avic f700BT. No DVD playback but bluetooth is integrated and the ipod controls are much better. The D3 will go to the land cruiser.


As for the sub- I want just enough to reproduce the lows accurately. There are certain songs in my playlist that just sound awful w/o a sub. When my speakers attempt to recreate the lows the song really suffers. Glad to hear that it wont take much as I'm not looking to add a huge en-closer in my trunk.

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[Johannvb]

Is there a DIY somewhere for removing the tweeters and front speakers?

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[rhudeboye]

<!--quoteo(post=81551:date=Oct 9 2009, 02:33 PM:name=Johannvb)-->QUOTE (Johannvb @ Oct 9 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is there a DIY somewhere for removing the tweeters and front speakers?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup. its in here. I read it.

Just remove the screws for the widow switch to get access to it.

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[flash]

daryl - you should hear what it sounds like after dynamat extreme - i easily picked up 10db and added a lot to the sound field in every car we've done now - it has really been quite amazing

as long as the decks are comparable, i'll stack up a stock speakered dynamatted 968 with my rear speaker mod against any non-dynamatted car with any kind of speakers you want in the factory locations - i am now quite convinced that it's the installation that is the primary fall down point, and i'm happy to prove it to anyone who wants me to - i'm 4 for 4 now

in my blue car, and obviously i have a lot more stuff in there, it is now so clear that the wind noise at 80mph is almost not a factor - the stereo is very capable of overcoming that

the white car is also not too bad, and has no sub, though the speakers aren't stock - first i installed the system without dynamat - then i went back in and did it - it was the difference between the father in law saying that he couldn't hear it with the top down, to having to turn it down - someday i may build fiberglass enclosures for the front woofers on that car

joe's car has a bazooka added and sounds great - it really fills in the bottom end - i'm not even sure if we did the whole car or not, but i know i did some key areas

dan's car is phenomenal, and even has some decent low end coming out of the factory rear speakers (and it's bloody loud in there with it cranked up)

it really works - far better than changing out speakers alone

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[Darryl]

completely agree on all points...maybe just not everybody's cup of tea is all I'm suggesting. I'd like to eventually get around to dynamatting my cab and I'm currently contemplating a Bazooka or the KLA cubby sub for the Coupe. I'll end up spending more time in the coupe so it may get added to the dynamat list too, but have to admit, it is low on the priority list as compared with gaskets, seals, trim pieces, paint, etc. Know what I mean?

- Darryl

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[flash]

i think what i am trying to say is that it's all fine to change out speakers to something better, but you're really wasting your time if you don't do it all the way and treat the surfaces and fix the installation - you might as well just sit them in the seats or on the floor - it would be like building a high horsepower engine and then giving it cheap regular gas - as i said, i'm happy to prove how inadequate the factory installation is, and how much better it sounds with it done right

i do the same thing when i design systems for homes - a large part of the process is treating the room - the gear is only the beginning - it's the bass traps, absorber panels, and diffusers that make it great

as for priorities, i can't see the paint from the inside while i'm driving - i can hear the car and the stereo though - i always regret it when i don't do paint dead last

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[Johannvb]

Exactky where are you applying the dynamat. Since our options stickers are in the trunk I dont think it is a good idea to dynamat that area. Personally I would prefer something less permanent.

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[flash]

all over the sheet metal of the car - inside the doors, in the spare tire well, in the side wells, across the back deck - everywhere - basically any sheet metal that would resonate got covered

we did not cover the options sticker or anything like that - nor did we cover the fuel sender

we did not remove the carpet or the headliner or the seats - this was a very easy job, that took less than a day, but worth every minute

side note - i have now held dynamat extreme's competitor's product in my hand - it has less mass, and while i have not tested them side by side, it therefore should have less dampening - still much better than not doing it at all, or using any other product, but as an audio engineer i can tell you that you can't fight the physics - there are now online sources for the dynamat extreme that are nearly the same price as the competitor too, so there is really not much of a reason to choose the less expensive product anymore

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[rhudeboye]

Didn't you take pics of the installed areas?

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[flash]

a couple - i'm sure dan will take more - i've been waiting for him to start his own thread

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[rxter]

Just the bazooka and the rear speaker mod. No Dynamat. I agree that the stock speakers sound really good. Crisp and clear. No low end as noted, but the sub takes care of that. And my deck was $300ish - cheap.

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