[Kim]

It amazes me that this has reached this point. The guy just asked a sensible question - where can i get it fixed? I saw nothing in that question that required any justification of the motive to anyone. Let it go - those who haven't the answer should just stay quiet. My cab has a perfectly functioning CD-2 CD radio and I am keeping it that way - but it came to me with an Alpine unit. I put the original radio back in. Just wanted to do it. My coupe has the Alpine system since it has the better speaker system and seems to be able to use it - that also suits me. Any I didn't and still don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about it for either car.

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[Johannvb]

<!--quoteo(post=79878:date=Sep 11 2009, 03:53 PM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Sep 11 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->... i get the idea, but these cars are not a 1920 rolls...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] not quite! It might take a couple more years, but 924 prices are slowly starting to rise in europe. Not to mention the previously unloved 914s, so watch this space. Since this 968 is widely regarded as the best front engined Porsche before porsche started mass producing cars I think it has a good chance of becoming collectable.

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[biotechee]

<!--quoteo(post=79878:date=Sep 11 2009, 09:53 AM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Sep 11 2009, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->you've heard the adage "respect must be earned" - i can respect something that makes sense to me, even if i disagree with it - for example, i can respect somebody who takes the time and trouble to build a harley - i hate them, but i can still respect the work<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Bob- To be honest, I am a shocked at your response here. Regardless of whether or not you can respect the idea of someone keeping the stock head unit, you should still respect an individual's opinions and desires. Why do you care what Jeff does with his car? It is his car to do with as he pleases. His desire to keep the factory head unit does not need to earn anyone's respect from what I can tell. Reminds me of the stupid K&N debate. Either you do it or you don't. No need to understand anything beyond that....

If what he or anyone wants to do with their car doesn't make sense to you, so be it. It doesn't have to.

Sorry to continue to drag this thread off-topic. Can we move along?

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[flash]

kim - it was perhaps tangential, but i wanted an explanation for something that baffled me - opinions aside, and as i said, everybody has a right to do whatever they want, i was and still am trying to understand it

johann - one can only hope, but i'm not inclined to wait around - i'm going to enjoy them while we still have gasoline to feed them, which if it takes as long as the rolls did to become valuable, will be long gone before that happens - unfortunately this car never got any love, regardless of the advertising campaign porsche did to tell the world how great it was - it will be unlikely that it will ever achieve collectable status, and if it does, it will be at least 10 years away - i tend to keep cars for longer than that, so maybe i will get lucky, but i'm not holding my breath

bio - i want to understand it - what is so wrong about that? of course i'm not saying he can't do whatever he wants - i just want to understand the concept - though i don't have to agree with it, i have to understand it to respect it - i think we tend to misuse that word

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[jeff968]

<!--quoteo(post=79878:date=Sep 11 2009, 09:53 AM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Sep 11 2009, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->if you want me to respect the position, it has to make some kind of sense on some level<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Well then, that level should be that someone prefers it (for whatever reason and it makes since to them) and that should be good enough for you to respect someone else's different opinion. Again, it promotes a free and open discussion form which is what we should have here.

I feel the way I feel.

You don't think the 968 will be collectible, I do and want to keep mine original.
You think the radio sounds terrible, I think it sounds good.

That's cool.

Again, many of us have different opinions. No need to be insulting or use condescendng remarks, just respect those different opinions.

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[flash]

wow has this wandered - i think we are missing my point

i can respect the RIGHT of anyone to have an opinion, however inane or illogical to me

i do not have to respect that opinion

of course anyone is welcome to express their opinion here - i am not suggesting otherwise - that is what this site is about - i have not tried to curtail anyone's expression of opinion - that would not happen from this screen name anyway - any decisions regarding anyone's posts come from a consensus of the owners - quite frankly, "flash" does not make decisions by himself as to tell anyone what to say or not to say - that would require a consensus of the owners of the site

i asked a question, as "flash", which has not been answered, but instead met with nothing but rhetoric

however, whether i think your opinion is right or not is entirely up to me - just as anyone's decision regarding my opinions - i asked for logical reasoning for locking oneself into something substandard - i have not yet been given any

do i really care what anybody puts in their car? no

but i do try to understand what i see to be illogical decisions - they are free to do whatever they want - i am not debating that - that does not mean i need to respect that decision - respect is the deep admiration for something - that will not happen with me without an understanding of the decision - the presumption that someone will automatically respect you is unrealistic and foolish - some things will just bring about ridicule - whether or not those things later turn out to be respectable is another matter - whether or not something that seems respectable and later turns out not to be is another matter as well (anybody remember disco?)

i have certainly made decisions on my car to which others would object - that is their right - they could no sooner tell me i couldn't do it than i could something on theirs - i do not automatically expect anyone's respect for my decisions - nobody should automatically expect respect for theirs either

as for collectibility status, this is primarily defined in the market by the interest level in a car no longer in production causing the market value of that car to exceed its original price - if and when that happens, i'll eat my words

but back to the original question, there used to be a small repair shop in fremont that could fix just about anything - not sure if they are still there or not though

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[flash]

by the way, a quick google turned up the shop

fremont sound of cb - they are in the yellow pages - they used to do repairs on just about anything, though i think they sent a lot out

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[Jamie '92 968]

<!--quoteo(post=79887:date=Sep 11 2009, 11:48 AM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Sep 11 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i asked a question, as "flash", which has not been answered, but instead met with nothing but rhetoric<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'll try to answer the question...

It's been difficult for me to get past the impulse to keep my car in original condition. I have thought about it a lot so this thread struck a chord with me.

I think the desire is similar to what makes a vintage toy more valuable if it is still in the original box with the shrink wrap in place.
I want to recreate the feeling I got when I opened up my "GI Joe with the Kung Fu Grip" on Christmas morning in 1974. It was in the package and it was new and it was mine. It wasn't my friend's, or a hand-me-down from my older brother.

I wanted a new 968 off the showroom floor at the Porsche dealer. If I can find one that is original and perfect, I can get that feeling like I just drove it off the lot.
Of course, I want to have my cake and eat it too, so I drive it while trying to keep it perfect.

Irrational, perhaps, but a real emotional response that translates into real value.


Jamie a.k.a. Dr. Freud
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[flash]

where this one falls down for me is the reality that it is an old car with inferior features - i can understand and appreciate the concept of keeping something original - i lose that appreciation when somebody decides to drive it like that, knowing they could have better

nearly all cars are a compromise between what they could be and what could be sold - if i am going to drive a car, i choose to make it what it could be - if i am going to show a car, and i have done this, i might keep it stock, but i wouldn't drive it - i used to show an absolutely perfect mgb - it had 1142 miles on it - it was trailered everywhere - the same was the case with my perfect 64.5 convertible mustang - so, i get the idea, but i would never drive either one, not so much because i wanted to keep them pristine as much as i knew how inadequate they were to drive, compared to how they could be - i had other versions of each car to drive

so again, it isn't the idea of wanting to keep something stock for show that i don't understand - it's the idea of driving it like that when there is a better experience to be had - these cars are really cheap - that's why i bought it in the first place - it was cheap enough that i could tear it apart and redesign it - so, why not have both? one for driving and one for showing - i've thought about buying another one to mothball it and drag it around to show it - i still might - i thought i might be able to do that with the white car, but somebody else had already gotten in there and hacked up the inside of the doors - i still might hunt around for another super low miles car and just stash it for a while

to be clear though, i totally agree that everybody has a right to do what they want, and i don't think any less of a person for doing something i don't understand, or don't agree with - i can easily separate the choice from the person - i just don't get this one, and am trying to

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[Johannvb]

<!--quoteo(post=79896:date=Sep 11 2009, 08:36 PM:name=Jamie '92 968)-->QUOTE (Jamie '92 968 @ Sep 11 2009, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'll try to answer the question...

It's been difficult for me to get past the impulse to keep my car in original condition. I have thought about it a lot so this thread struck a chord with me.

I think the desire is similar to what makes a vintage toy more valuable if it is still in the original box with the shrink wrap in place.
I want to recreate the feeling I got when I opened up my "GI Joe with the Kung Fu Grip" on Christmas morning in 1974. It was in the package and it was new and it was mine. It wasn't my friend's, or a hand-me-down from my older brother.

I wanted a new 968 off the showroom floor at the Porsche dealer. If I can find one that is original and perfect, I can get that feeling like I just drove it off the lot.
Of course, I want to have my cake and eat it too, so I drive it while trying to keep it perfect.

Irrational, perhaps, but a real emotional response that translates into real value.


Jamie a.k.a. Dr. Freud
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Amen

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[flash]

lol - i guess i'll have to put this one up there with other car-related mysteries of life like: why people continue to text while they are driving, drive more than 50 miles at 80mph on an emergency spare, drive 65mph in the commuter lane when there is no traffic, yada yada

no worries - that's why they developed cabernet

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