[SILVY968]

After much gear lust following Dan1688's post of his installation, I just had to install a NAV unit in my 968.



It involved a bit of work to modify the radio/clock cubby area to accommodate a double size unit. The Pioneer installation kit made it fast. The results, with the kit's included trim ring, look factory.



Not only is this a great NAV unit, it has a host of other features and options that will make you wonder why you waited.

Much to my surprise, the EQ settings and a MUCH cleaner amplifier made for a much better overall sound in the cab.



I have focused on the mechanics of this installation and not included the actual wiring, which is very straight forward. I have included a hook up chart for this unit from my Porsche CDR-210 to serve as a guide.



Brian

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[rhudeboye]

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[bob blackwell]

Good job! Looks just like a factory installation and the instructions are very simple to follow. Enjoy! Bob Blackwell.

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[Mike in NJ]

[quote name='bob blackwell' post='42599' date='Oct 19 2007, 09:44 AM']Good job! Looks just like a factory installation and the instructions are very simple to follow. Enjoy! Bob Blackwell.[/quote]

I would love to do this. Just curious - it looks like a lot of what held the console in place has been removed. Does the console move around more now? (Flex? Wobble?) Also, are there any creaks or rattles now?

Thanks,

Mike

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[xrad]

fantastic write-up!!

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[rxter]

Very nice. Looks better than spec.



Where'd you get the 968 screen?

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[Cloud9...68]

Wow, what a beautiful installation, and what a great set of instructions! Two questions:



1. Are you afraid of theft, especially in a Cab (not that worrying does a whole lot of good <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/huh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )?

2. Is it possible to customize the display to pick up external inputs, such as from an oil temperature sensor, and display the oil temperature on a virtual gauge? This would give the best of both worlds, the 968 Engineering gauge cluster, and the nav unit.



Thanks; again, congrats on a beautiful install.

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[Scott Collins]

Nicely done! I am drooling now <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

yeah - it's a nice unit - i loved the D1 (now for sale) - i love both of the Z2 units we have - i wish there were some way to get the audio portion of the deck i have in the 968 incorporated into that one, and then, as said above, not lose my gauges



lol - can't have everything i guess



not without building an entirely new dash - hmmm.......................

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='Mike in NJ' post='53745' date='Jun 1 2008, 06:31 AM']I would love to do this. Just curious - it looks like a lot of what held the console in place has been removed. Does the console move around more now? (Flex? Wobble?) Also, are there any creaks or rattles now?

Thanks,

Mike[/quote]



Mike,

NO.



[quote name='xrad' post='53752' date='Jun 1 2008, 08:14 AM']fantastic write-up!![/quote]

Thanks. It was a labor of love. It updated the car to 2008.

Brian



[quote name='rxter' post='53759' date='Jun 1 2008, 12:07 PM']Very nice. Looks better than spec.



Where'd you get the 968 screen?[/quote]

I made it. It is posted on this site if you want to use it...be my guest.

Brian

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='Cloud9...68' post='53769' date='Jun 1 2008, 03:05 PM']Wow, what a beautiful installation, and what a great set of instructions! Two questions:



1. Are you afraid of theft, especially in a Cab (not that worrying does a whole lot of good <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/huh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )?

2. Is it possible to customize the display to pick up external inputs, such as from an oil temperature sensor, and display the oil temperature on a virtual gauge? This would give the best of both worlds, the 968 Engineering gauge cluster, and the nav unit.



Thanks; again, congrats on a beautiful install.[/quote]

Thanks.

1) As Flash says " thats what insurance is for." If you are concerned that the temptation is too much for some sh*t, you can make a 2 din moc panel with a tongue that will hold it into the CD opening. It looks as if you only have a blank panel and not a nav system.

2) Been there. No. The only gauges that you have are analog time, analog and digital speed and analog compass.



Well worth the loss of the gauges. If they are a must have I would consider an 'A' column gauge pod.

Brian



[quote name='Scott Collins' post='53774' date='Jun 1 2008, 05:26 PM']Nicely done! I am drooling now <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]

Do it. You will not be sorry. The bluetooth phone and ipod are extra cool. The amp is so much better that OEM that my OEM speakers are much improved. The EQ in the amp helps a great deal. Plus you never get lost. Makes for some great new hill drives on the weekend.

Brian

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[DaveN]

[quote name='SILVY968' post='53836' date='Jun 2 2008, 06:38 PM']Thanks.

1) As Flash says " thats what insurance is for." If you are concerned that the temptation is too much for some sh*t, you can make a 2 din moc panel with a tongue that will hold it into the CD opening. It looks as if you only have a blank panel and not a nav system.

2) Been there. No. The only gauges that you have are analog time, analog and digital speed and analog compass.



Well worth the loss of the gauges. If they are a must have I would consider an 'A' column gauge pod.

Brian





Do it. You will not be sorry. The bluetooth phone and ipod are extra cool. The amp is so much better that OEM that my OEM speakers are much improved. The EQ in the amp helps a great deal. Plus you never get lost. Makes for some great new hill drives on the weekend.

Brian[/quote]



This is slightly off topic (maybe a new thread?) but I would be curious to hear people responses. I am a tech geek and have been in electronics and computing systems for a long time. But, I am well rounded enough to ask reasonable questions and sometimes override my geekiness with logic (but not that often!)

Nav/stereo systems are wonderful when you aren't moving and you can play with them but what if you are moving? How can you look away from the road way down by your stick shift to read and comprehend the screen? You can't do that in .5s. Your brain does not process digital information that fast, you must read and comprehend. This is the opposite to analogue input, your brain trains itself to process this info and bypasses the processing/comprehension phase to a baser instinct providing much faster response times.

Imagine a fighter pilot who looks away to read the guages - disaster. Thus the HUD was developed.

As an example, my Pioneer deck in my 968 has menu functions to select radio channels instead of programmed buttons on the front. I find it almost impossible to select/surf to a new radio station when I leave town as I have to read and scroll through a list of possible choices, all while not watching the road. My old deck had buttons, reach down and press one out of the corner of your eye or just press "seek" a few times until you hear something you like.



This is, of course, the basic argument for the cell phone bans that are now starting to appear except a cell phone is a doddle compared to a complicated NAV system.

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[gryphon]

Dave, I have a decent nav system in my Lexus, but I do not mess with many of the features while driving. What is extremely handy, particularly at night, is to use the map to find an unknown residential street, instead of trying to read unlit street signs.



Then when I drive my 968 I find myself looking down for a map and find nothing.



Tom

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='DaveN' post='62842' date='Nov 8 2008, 10:54 AM']This is slightly off topic (maybe a new thread?) but I would be curious to hear people responses. I am a tech geek and have been in electronics and computing systems for a long time. But, I am well rounded enough to ask reasonable questions and sometimes override my geekiness with logic (but not that often!)

Nav/stereo systems are wonderful when you aren't moving and you can play with them but what if you are moving? How can you look away from the road way down by your stick shift to read and comprehend the screen? You can't do that in .5s. Your brain does not process digital information that fast, you must read and comprehend. This is the opposite to analogue input, your brain trains itself to process this info and bypasses the processing/comprehension phase to a baser instinct providing much faster response times.

Imagine a fighter pilot who looks away to read the guages - disaster. Thus the HUD was developed.

As an example, my Pioneer deck in my 968 has menu functions to select radio channels instead of programmed buttons on the front. I find it almost impossible to select/surf to a new radio station when I leave town as I have to read and scroll through a list of possible choices, all while not watching the road. My old deck had buttons, reach down and press one out of the corner of your eye or just press "seek" a few times until you hear something you like.



This is, of course, the basic argument for the cell phone bans that are now starting to appear except a cell phone is a doddle compared to a complicated NAV system.[/quote]

Dave,



I set the location before I move out, then it talks me through the turns and "dings" about 100 ft before the actual turn. I do not look at the screen for more than a second to confirm. The input on the screen is a picture and is processed quickly.

Brian

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[flash]

i have the AVIC Z2 in both the denali and the M3 - no problem looking back and forth - in fact not too much of a problem to play with it while moving - i have the bypass in the denali that allows me to do that, and will be installing it in the M3 this week, now that the warranty on the unit has expired and pioneer won't give me any grief over that if it ever has to go in for service

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='flash' post='62849' date='Nov 8 2008, 12:23 PM']i have the AVIC Z2 in both the denali and the M3 - no problem looking back and forth - in fact not too much of a problem to play with it while moving - i have the bypass in the denali that allows me to do that, and will be installing it in the M3 this week, now that the warranty on the unit has expired and pioneer won't give me any grief over that if it ever has to go in for service[/quote]

flash,



"not too much of a problem to play with it while moving"

Got the DVD video option, huh?

Brian

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[flash]

lol - i do have that, though i have not yet used it - might in the denali on long co-driver trips though



i do use the on-the-fly dialing, course adjustment, and vicinity search though

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='flash' post='62872' date='Nov 9 2008, 07:45 AM']lol - i do have that, though i have not yet used it - might in the denali on long co-driver trips though



i do use the on-the-fly dialing, course adjustment, and vicinity search though[/quote]



flash,

Ditto. I do not understand why Pioneer makes it so easy to disable the "parking break lockout"? With the positional data coming into the unit they can easily tell that you are moving. Seems that they realize that making changes when driving is wanted by many users and they are giving you a way to easily modify the units.

Brian

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[flash]

ssshhhhh - don't tell

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[SILVY968]

[quote name='flash' post='62901' date='Nov 9 2008, 01:55 PM']ssshhhhh - don't tell[/quote]

OK

Even though it is safer not to make complicated data entry events while moving, it sure is useless to not be able to change, cancel or modify a destination.

The web site that I used to install my Pioneer has a great big disclaimer on the modification posting. Interesting to me is the amount of data entry that you can legally do, when in motion, to your car MP3/radio. The presets alone can distract the best of us; and what about using your in dash cell phone address book to scroll thru and select numbers?

Ramble, ramble, ramble...

I will speak of this stupidity no more!

Brian

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