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Leather CPR
#21

that would be the first time it didn't do amazing things - i wonder if your leather is too far gone? i have seen that happen - have any close up pics?
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#22

I don't have any close up pics, and I'm not sure it would be worth it, because my seats actually look brand new. It's just that their leather is very hard - as I said, they feel more like plastic than leather. I'm guessing this is because the paint on the surface has hardened over the years. I was hoping the Leather CPR would soften it up a little bit, so I'll try several more applications, and see if it improves.
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#23

they are supposed to be vat dyed, and not painted - have these seats been "reconditioned"
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#24

I know the side bolsters have been reconditioned by the PO (they are actually pretty soft), but I don't know about the seating surfaces. As perfect as they look, I wouldn't be surprised. I've done two applications of Leather CPR now, and maybe it's my imagination (or just my desire for this stuff to work), but it seems that the leather may be getting a little softer. I've used it on several leather chairs, a leather sofa, and several of my shoes, and I have to say, I like the way the leather looks and feels afterwards, so my opinion of Leather CPR is on the rise (at least seven out of ten stars now).
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#25

lol - well, if they reworked the seat bolsters the way that many shops do, which is by applying a colored dye to the leather over the top, the CPR will likely never really get in there - that stuff is paint (as you called it above) - this seals the leather and prevents anything from getting in



if they replaced the bolsters, then you should be able to get the CPR to work



keep going though, it sounds like progress
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#26

Flash, where did you hear that Porsche vat dyed its leather? I don't see that being the case, but I have been wrong before.
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#27

the replacement sources have all said that, as well as some sales literature i read somewhere a long time ago - have you found something that said otherwise? it certainly doesn't seem like it when you scratch it, but perhaps the immersion time isn't sufficient, or the prep or something - i don't know all that much about the process, so i can't speak to that
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#28

I can't speak with any authority on this subject, either, but I remember hearing somewhere (boy, that sounds reliable...) that most automotive leather is painted, and that vat dying is a rarity (though it may be getting more common as more and more cars come equipped with nicer and nicer interiors). Given the era of our cars, my guess (and it's only a guess) would be that the leather is painted. Mine sure feel that way.
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#29

i don't know - both times i've gone to have work done on german cars (one bmw and the 968) i was told the leather was vat dyed, and consequently harder to match - beats me if that is true or not - never looked into it



i do know that the stuff gets into the leather pretty easily on every other 968 seat i've tried, with the glaring exception of one that was really dry - it was so dry there were probably millions of tiny little lines in it



but, if your seats had that "paint it to fix the old leather" treatment, like those guys do that come to your house, it will probably never work
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#30

I spent a lot of time in furniture stores recently, listening to loads of sales people trying to convince my wife that we really needed THIS couch.



Anyway, what I learned is this.



1) Pretty much all decent leathers are "aniline dyed". That is done in a vat, so all leather is vat dyed.

2) The most expensive leathers are from the least abused part of the animal (no fence cuts etc). Since it takes a lot of cows to make a big couch, one of the things that drives up the cost at the top end is the need to "match" the leather. You can imagine that some labor is involved to find hides that are reasonably close, and that lots of those will have blems, so you keep looking to get everything to match.



The other thing that makes the top end expensive is that the leather is not "protected". That means you get it in its most natural state, of course with the dyes and post-tanning. The big red chair in the exclusive cigar club that is 100 years old? Seen that one on TV? That is going to be a burgendy dyed "pull up" leather - my personal favorite. These leathers are absolutely beautiful, but when you drag your fingernail over them they mark badly, and it won't simply come out - unprotected.



3) Leathers on the bottom end are mismatched, have lots of stitching (cause you use lots of different pieces left over from the good runs) and are "corrected". That means that they are put in a press and given a surface. This reshapes the surface to something other than a brand mark or whatever. They are then analine dyed, and given a "pigmented top coat", aka paint, to protect the finish.



4) The really inexpensive stuff (think Jerome's or Levitt's) is mostly cloth, with an extremely thin coating of leather on top. That is of course painted and protected, but it is so thin that you can actually scrape it off to the cloth, in the store, with your finger nail. This is NOT aniline dyed, but there is no way that stuff would hold up in a Porsche, not even a Cayenne.



I inquired about simply using my McGuires cleaner on the pull up and the guy almost fainted (furniture store remember - full of women). He said that car leather had to stand up to really, really tough conditions (dirt, sand, water, and lots of movement) over many years and as such it was much tougher and the cleaner would be too harsh for the buttery stuff.



Having looked a a boat load of leather samples I am confident that our seats are in fact vat, or aniline dyed, corrected and protected with a pigmented top coat. Depending on how new that is it may be easier or harder to get through with the CPR.



If the leather is a bit older and some of the top coat is on your and your PO's pants and shirts, then likely that teh CPR goes right in and you get butter. If it is newer then it might just site on top of the paint. For example I put some CPR on my 968 seats and it did not soak in too much. My seats appear to have been recovered in the not too distant. I put some on my wife's 2002 Odyssey - went right in. My kids are in and out of that car 3 or 4 times a day - seats get a regular workout. I can't want to clean them and apply liberally - wifey will be pleased.
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#31

Interesting article on Leather vs. vinyl-coated leather in the following link. I still go to the Boxster board and this was a topic today. The link is from 303 protectant (which, of course, is trying to sell a product). Interesting info nonetheless. I wonder if our seats absorb or repel water? Does anyone know?



http://www.303products.com/tech/index.cfm?...;product_id=565



T-Bone
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#32

Just tried dripping water on the seats and let it sit. According to the 303 website, they appear to be vinyl-coated. Not sure if I believe that but I let it sit on the bolster as well as the perforated part. The plot thickens...
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#33

Porsche leather seats are most definitely NOT plastic coated. As new, they are soft and clearly analine dyed. If your seats are not letting Leather CPR in, they are probably beyond repair or require numerous treatments, as Flash has noted.



I have two low mile 968s, both with very soft leather seats. You've all sat on "cheap" leather sofas where the leather only touches your butt and back, yet the remainder of the sofa is vinyl. The leather is treated to match the vinyl so the casual observer won't notice. The same types of casual observers have thought that the arm rests of early production model 968s were leather, yet they were not. They were vinyl. Germans did a much better job of producing a higher quality vinyl than Americans and Japanese did.



Our leather seats are made from high quality, analine dyed hides. As new, the leather was soft and pliable. If yours are beyond repair and Leather CPR won't work after numerous applications, have your seats re-upholstered or get seat covers. Our 15 year old cars can put up with a lot of abuse, but years of baking in the sun in dry climates, can cause leather to dry out and be unrepairable.
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#34

there does seem to be a difference between the boltser leather and the cushion leather too - not sure what that's about though



i'm actually impressed though with the sides and back being vinyl - that's where the hands and things that scuff go, and that's what would be really ruined if it were leather
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#35

I beg to differ, but IMHO Porsche does not even come close to using "high quality" leather in any of their cars ..

Even at it's softest and best, right off the factory floor it's still crap; thinner, stiffer with that "painted over" feel to

it, no way near the luxurious characteristics of the leathers used by Jaguar, Mercedes, Infinity, Lexus, Rover, Maserati, even some models BMW, and the list goes on..
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#36

Supple leather is always an option too!
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#37

Based on the discussions here, I'm pretty convinced that my seats were repaired, using a "paint-over" process (though I don't understand how they could have gotten the black dots so perfect). My seats literally look brand new, like they've never been sat on, but they're very "plasticy" and slippery feeling. Oh, well, as the car racks up an increasing percentage of its mileage at the track, I've been planning on replacing them with racing seats, anyway...



But I am very happy with the results I've gotten with Leather CPR on my other leather goods. This really is good stuff, at a very affordable price.
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[quote name='Cloud9...68' post='61347' date='Oct 8 2008, 04:21 PM']B(though I don't understand how they could have gotten the black dots so perfect).[/quote]





The "dots" on an original seat are actually little holes - the leather is perfed for better breathability, incidentally something that a number of car mgs seem to have rediscovered recently. Are your dots holes or spots?
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[quote name='rxter' post='61357' date='Oct 8 2008, 08:02 PM']The "dots" on an original seat are actually little holes - the leather is perfed for better breathability, incidentally something that a number of car mgs seem to have rediscovered recently. Are your dots holes or spots?[/quote]

I thought they were spots, but maybe I've just never looked closely enough. Pretty embarassing, actually...



Edit: I just checked, and I'll be darned, but they ARE perforations. So I wonder how someone managed to paint over the old leather, without messing up the holes.
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#40

I had to use a probe (Like Biololgy lab) and re-perforate all of the holes....



Regards,



Jay
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