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ICESHARK'S BATTERY CABLES
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Several months ago, a Rennlist member, "Iceshark", posted on this board discussing the issue of the 944/968 engine harness failures. Dan had set up a small cottage industry designing and selling an upgraded harness that corrected many of the electrical gremlins for these cars. Sadly, Dan died while on a scuba diving vacation, shortly thereafter.



If any of you posters purchased either the harness kit or the lighting upgrade kit from Iceshark, and are no longer planning to install the kit, please drop me a PM since I would be interested in taking it off your hands.



Regards,



Ernie Rossi
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i installed the ice shark battery cables.

very impressive setup.

not sure they helped too much with elec, because just cleaning all the contacts helps so much.

i will say that the original cables in my car were extremely scary to look at after removing. the insulation was completely chipped off in some spots. in general, it was so brittle that you could just remove it all with a fingernail.

the thing about his kit was that he included some very nice in-line fuses with his positive cables. in case there was a really bad short, you wouldn't worry about it.



i think that even if you couldn't find one of his kits, you could very easily have a new set made for you if you knew the lengths of cable needed. it's not a complicated item at all. he did add a supplemental ground cable from the front driver's headlight ground to the front of the engine block and an additional positive lead from the battery to the fuse box. not sure how necessary these were, but certainly couldn't hurt.



he also had a headlight mod of some kind before i got here. i can't speak to that.



i was very surprised how many positive cables all converge at the battery. it's a real mess in there. must be about 7 different ring terminals all together.



if you're in there, it's a really good idea to clean up all your ground points with some sand paper and some elec clnr. made a huge difference for my windows, wipers, and dash lights.
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[quote name='Brian' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:21 PM']i installed the ice shark battery cables.

very impressive setup.

not sure they helped too much with elec, because just cleaning all the contacts helps so much.

i will say that the original cables in my car were extremely scary to look at after removing.  the insulation was completely chipped off in some spots.  in general, it was so brittle that you could just remove it all with a fingernail.

the thing about his kit was that he included some very nice in-line fuses with his positive cables.  in case there was a really bad short, you wouldn't worry about it.



i think that even if you couldn't find one of his kits, you could very easily have a new set made for you if you knew the lengths of cable needed.  it's not a complicated item at all.  he did add a supplemental ground cable from the front driver's headlight ground to the front of the engine block and an additional positive lead from the battery to the fuse box.  not sure how necessary these were, but certainly couldn't hurt.



he also had a headlight mod of some kind before i got here.  i can't speak to that.



i was very surprised how many positive cables all converge at the battery.  it's a real mess in there.  must be about 7 different ring terminals all together.



if you're in there, it's a really good idea to clean up all your ground points with some sand paper and some elec clnr.  made a huge difference for my windows, wipers, and dash lights.

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Hi Brian,



Thanks for responding to my inquiry. Is there any chance that you "saved" the old harness that you removed from your car? If you still have it and are willing to "loan" it to me, I would then have a new cable set fabbed up using it as a model. Let me know.



For the 944/968, you can NEVER have enough grounds! These cars are notorious for either losing or having only a weak ground. As the cars age, the corrosion just builds up at all the grounding points and eventually you see all sorts of glitchs that take the driving fun out of the cars.



I had actually emailed Dan to commit to buying one of his harnesses about a week before he passed. His kits were really great (or so I was told), and he had made a real niche for him self by starting a cottage industry to do things like the battery cables or the lighting kit. The lighting kit included relays to assure getting a solid 12+ volts to the lights. He had all the wiring and also included (I believe) and adjustable voltage regulaor that allowed you to dial up your alternator output slightly. Normally, he didn't mess with the lights, but the tests indicated that heis system could compete with some of the HID setups out there.



Thanks for responding and take care.



Ernie
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Ernie-



You may want to contact Jim (Anchorman). Right now he, I believe, is unavailable on vacation. If I remember correctly, he purchased both the battery cables and the lighting system from Dan.



I am not sure what he has installed to this point.
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i seem to remember reading the anchorman had his cables installed some time ago. not totally sure... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/unsure.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



i don't have the original cables. i threw them away as quickly as i could. in hindsite, i should have saved them in case anyone wanted to do what you're doing.

i know that ice had selected the highest quality componants and i'm no elec engin, but i'm guessing that you could have someone rig up cables from welding cable for you for pretty cheap. i don't know where you'd find the fuses. they aren't even in the factory cables and if you had brand new cable that was well constructed, it might not be necessary to have fuses in-line. i also remember ice being very proud of his soldered connections. they are very well done.



since it's winter, you could yank your cables out and take them somewhere. shouldn't take too long to make new ones. there's basically two major ground cables (batt to firwl, and batt to block) and two major positive cables (batt to start, start to alt). the supplementals would be nice but probably not necessary.



i'm not sure how you feel about your current battery, but i switched to an optima battery and the posts are backward. so i had to re-route my batt cables to get it to work. if you're working on cables and are looking for a new batt, keep that in mind as you install new cables.



i did get the adj volt reg from ice. he was big into bumping it to 14.4 from 14,1. there's some discussion about that. i think the older cars are seeing 13-13.5. i do remember seeing something about the brand he used posted around here. you could search for it. it was only like $15.
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[quote name='Brian' date='Feb 1 2006, 03:42 PM']i seem to remember reading the anchorman had his cables installed some time ago.  not totally sure... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/unsure.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



i don't have the original cables.  i threw them away as quickly as i could.  in hindsite, i should have saved them in case anyone wanted to do what you're doing.

i know that ice had selected the highest quality componants and i'm no elec engin, but i'm guessing that you could have someone rig up cables from welding cable for you for pretty cheap.  i don't know where you'd find the fuses.  they aren't even in the factory cables and if you had brand new cable that was well constructed, it might not be necessary to have fuses in-line.  i also remember ice being very proud of his soldered connections.  they are very well done.



since it's winter, you could yank your cables out and take them somewhere.  shouldn't take too long to make new ones.  there's basically two major ground cables (batt to firwl, and batt to block) and two major positive cables (batt to start, start to alt).  the supplementals would be nice but probably not necessary.



i'm not sure how you feel about your current battery, but i switched to an optima battery and the posts are backward.  so i had to re-route my batt cables to get it to work.  if you're working on cables and are looking for a new batt, keep that in mind as you install new cables.



i did get the adj volt reg from ice.  he was big into bumping it to 14.4 from 14,1.  there's some discussion about that.  i think the older cars are seeing 13-13.5.  i do remember seeing something about the brand he used posted around here.  you could search for it.  it was only like $15.

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Brian,



I am concerned that if I yank my current harness out, I"ll never remember the exact routing which would make installation of a new harnes a test of faith. Hopefully, someone monitoring this thread will have purchased the harness and not have any intentions to use it. I'll keep my fingers crossed.



On a different subject, thanks for the comments on your exhaust system. Your story was the inspiration to move forward and organize the group buy. Pete picked up about a dozen orders, plus has had inquiries from several foreign countries. He may have a growing business........and all because you took the time to post a comprehensive message about the Barn's exhaust!



Back to the harness. I had not given any thoughts to replacing the battery since the current one seems fine. What lead you to the OPtima? I know that a lot folks run these batteries, and I'm assuming it is because of a weight savings. What are your thoughts?



Take care.



Ernie
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you're certainly welcome for the notes on the exhaust.

i sincerely hope you and all the others feel the same way after you receive it and install it. my few dealings with pete were so positive that i'm really happy to help him and his business.

one suggestion, make sure you can get the car up off the ground enough to be able to move freely under the car. if you're tight under there, you'll put yourself in a very bad mood! oh, it also wouldn't hurt to get some wd 40 on all the old bolts for a while before you try to remove them. they really are self-welded on there after 15 years of use. oh, you'll need to purchase some gasket sealer, too. don't forget to buy it before you start tearing things apart. i still have half a tube left. if you'd like it, let me know. i'll throw it in the mail for you.



back to business...

i'm no serious mechanic by any means, but the routing of the cables is much more simple than you'd think it's mostly visible from up under the hood and pretty much drops straight down by the oil filler neck. certainly grab some cables from someone if you can, but i don't think you'll have a hard time putting the new ones in. once again, if you can get the car up off the ground and give yourself some headroom, it's really pretty straightforward. the hardest part is just getting the kinks/bends right for the starter. i ended up having to sort of wrap one cable over the torque tube and hang it down to the starter. (great time to do the gummy starter cleaning procedure on this forum. very straightforward.)

one other neat ice shark trick was to run the exciter wire to the alternator inside the sheathing for the main cable so it was all nice and neat. you could probably accomplish the same thing with some wire cables or elec tape. there was also one low gauge wire to the starter. i can't remember how he had that one going. i think it's still just on it's own.



one tip on the main ground to the engine block. it's very tight in there. make sure you cover the inspection hole in the top of the bell housing before you remove that nut. it'll probably fall when you remove it and that hole is right there. recipe for a real headache or heavy drinking followed by a large headache.



if it'd help at all, i'd be happy to get you ice's install instructions. i don't think he'd mind since you would have bought his product if you could have. they don't have any good pictures, but he was a good writer.
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[quote name='Brian' date='Feb 1 2006, 11:44 PM']you're certainly welcome for the notes on the exhaust.

i sincerely hope you and all the others feel the same way after you receive it and install it.  my few dealings with pete were so positive that i'm really happy to help him and his business. 

one suggestion, make sure you can get the car up off the ground enough to be able to move freely under the car.  if you're tight under there, you'll put yourself in a very bad mood!  oh, it also wouldn't hurt to get some wd 40 on all the old bolts for a while before you try to remove them.  they really are self-welded on there after 15 years of use.  oh, you'll need to purchase some gasket sealer, too.  don't forget to buy it before you start tearing things apart.  i still have half a tube left.  if you'd like it, let me know.  i'll throw it in the mail for you. 



back to business...

i'm no serious mechanic by any means, but the routing of the cables is much more simple than you'd think  it's mostly visible from up under the hood and pretty much drops straight down by the oil filler neck.  certainly grab some cables from someone if you can, but i don't think you'll have a hard time putting the new ones in.  once again, if you can get the car up off the ground and give yourself some headroom, it's really pretty straightforward.  the hardest part is just getting the kinks/bends right for the starter.  i ended up having to sort of wrap one cable over the torque tube and hang it down to the starter.  (great time to do the gummy starter cleaning procedure on this forum.  very straightforward.)

one other neat ice shark trick was to run the exciter wire to the alternator inside the sheathing for the main cable so it was all nice and neat.  you could probably accomplish the same thing with some wire cables or elec tape.  there was also one low gauge wire to the starter.  i can't remember how he had that one going.  i think it's still just on it's own.



one tip on the main ground to the engine block.  it's very tight in there.  make sure you cover the inspection hole in the top of the bell housing before you remove that nut.  it'll probably fall when you remove it and that hole is right there.  recipe for a real headache or heavy drinking followed by a large headache.



if it'd help at all, i'd be happy to get you ice's install instructions.  i don't think he'd mind since you would have bought his product if you could have.  they don't have any good pictures, but he was a good writer.

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Brian,



Thanks again. Yoy're apparently a lot younger than me. I gave up lying on my back several years ago to work on cars. Usually get one of my sons to do it now. What I am excited about is that, after all these years of lying under cars, I am finally going to install a lift in my 2 car garage! I spent the winter months modifying the garage (collar tie relocatons and revising the door tracks) and now running 120/240 power overhead to power the lift and a couple of electric wall heaters I've installed. With luck, the lift will be in by Spring time.



That's the long way of saying that I should have good undercar clearance when I tackle the exhaust system!



I'll take you up on Dan's install instructions for the harness, if you don't mind. Perhaps you could send me a zerox copy of the notes. My address is:



Ernie Rossi

1217 Cheshire Avenue

Naperville, Il. 60540



Or, if you can scan them, you could send them via email to earossi@yahoo.it.



I do have one suggestion for you. You mentioned WD-40 in your last note to work on the rusted hardware. There is something much better than WD-40. It's called Kroil. You will not find it in any retail stores, but you can purchase via email directly from the Kroil Company. I believe they are in Tennessee. You can Google them to get the specifics. I found out about the product from a friend whose hobby is frame off restorations of old solid axle Corvettes. Those old Vette's are reall rust buckets, and Kroil is amazing for freeing up hardware. My buddy says that if Kroil doesn't work, get your torch out and cut the hardware off!

Give it a try. As a bonus, the company makes a number of other automotive related chemicals which I have tried with success. Their products are commercial grade......I found, after purchasing Kroil, that we use it in our machine shop at the plant in which I work.



Take care.



Ernie
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Pete at RS Barn recently had a look at Anchorman's car. I visited with them while he was there. Anchorman has installed the Battery cable set, but has not installed the light set. If someone were interested in picking up the torch from Dan I think many people would be interesting in buying.



Jay
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ernie, thanks for the tiip on the kroil. i'll check that out. should save my knuckles the next time i take something like this on.



i'll get those instructions over to you one way or another. i'll pack them up with the exhaust sealant and throw them in the mail.



94 - if someone would continue ice's light mod kit, i'd definitely be interested with ernie. i was actually going to place an order with him this winter before the unfortunate happened. i don't mind my headlights, but i think they could use a little help on low beam.
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[quote name='94SilverCab' date='Feb 2 2006, 08:41 AM']Pete at RS Barn recently had a look at Anchorman's car. I visited with them while he was there. Anchorman has installed the Battery cable set, but has not installed the light set. If someone were interested in picking up the torch from Dan I think many people would be interesting in buying.



Jay

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Jay,



The thought had not occurred to me, but I am a hobbiest and would be interested in fabbing both the cable set and light kit if I had one of each to use as examples. If I can get my hands on one kit of each, I would gladly purchase them and then see what I could do to begin fabricating the kits as did Dan.



I'll start another topic to canvas the community.



Regards,



Ernie
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As Jay reported, the Iceshark battery cable set is installed in my car, but the headlight cable set is not yet installed. I have created PDFs of the installation instructions for both sets. If anyone is interested, I can take digital photos of the headlight set, and of the easily visible parts of the battery set. I'm not willing to sell the headlight set as I will get around to installing it.



Iceshark's attention to detail was quite remarkable. For example, where some existing wiring was to be used with the new cable set, but needed to be run through the shield he had around the new cable, he included pre-installed pull wires. Very impressive. Also, one quick look at the battery cable clamps shows how much more "industrial strength" his cable set is compared to stock.
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Hello everyone- I got a small business sponsorship here this summer & have been planning to post something on this & am just now getting around to it. I am the guy who bought the rest of the inventory from Dan Wray's family, after he died in September 2005- Dan was IceShark & while the kit may be fairly straightforward, etc, we've found that he really did put a LOT of thought into it. Not only do I miss him as a friend, but I can't tell you how many times I have wanted to ask him specific questions about these kits.

Anyway, here is the deal- during the time he was selling these, he made several changes- all minor, but the material costs continued to go up. By the time he did his last run, his final price was $350 (IF using Paypal)- this included S&H & the complete kit w/supplemental ground, as well. I have been able to get the price down to $300- again, this includes Paypal & S&H. Right now, I am running a special of $280 to anyone in the cont US. I'll ship anywhere in the world (& have been for several years) but have to charge more for S&H, of course. If anyone is interested, please get in touch. I'm trying to work w/Pete (RS Barn) on doing some sort of deal so that he can have a few sets in his shop, to install on customer's cars, as I know he does a lot of work for a lot of you guys & has an excellent reputation.

I'm not sure how to add pics on this forum- am trying to learn- but I have plenty I can e-mail to anyone who'd like to see before buying. Any questions or comments can be e-mailed to me directly, or, asked here in open forum. The following is a list of what all is included & I WILL sell ANYTHING from this list, separately, including materials (on special request). If you're insterested in anything separately, I can outline specific costs individually, but I usually put things together for people, knocking off a few bucks for buying more than one part- as is the $280 complete kit deal. So, this is what's included:

1 - 1awg main [+] cable (battery to starter)
1 - 4awg main [+] cable (starter to alternator) - fused
1 - 4awg supplemental [+] cable (battery to fuse box) - fused
1 - 1awg (2-piece - like factory) main [-] cable
1 - 4awg supplemental cable
1 - pair of military spec battery clamps
miscellaneous hardware, instructions, etc, including rubber boot covers
ALL of the cables, except for the shorter of the two [-] main cables, has ExFlex protective sleeving.

Again, please contact me regarding any questions you may have.

Thanks,
Robby
rkc951 AT yahoo.com
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Robby,
Could you post pics of the cables set, installed in a 968 and the instruction .pdf?
I have only heard about this item and would like to know more.
Brian
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There are some pics in this thread..
http://www.968forums.com/index.php?showtop...15&hl=cable
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If anyone thinks you can take the stock battery (really, power distribution) cables and do what IceShark - and now Robby, with thanks on behalf of the 968 community - has done is sadly mistaken. This is a well though out, and professionally engineered and constructed, set of cables that FAR exceeds the originals in ruggedness, reliability, avoidance of voltage drop, and looks. Putting the cable sets side by side is like putting a 22 and a cannon side by side. When I had my original cables removed, they looked like the shielding had been through a shredder and the cables were badly deteriorated. It was clear that I was lucky not to have had any electrical problems (I did the replacement "because I could", not because I was aware of any problem). So, kids, don't be deceived - this is the REAL STUFF. (Note - I have no commercial interest in this product - I just think it's great - thanks for picking this up, Robby!)
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something i may pick up down the line. Checked out the other thread. I'm really glad there are so many people involved with making these cars better.
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I have a set of Robby's cables installed in one car and have another set waiting for the other one. The installed set resolved a bunch of my issues including bogus overheating. Had cleaned all the grounds but his cables have everything running rock solid on my car now.

Robby is great to work with as well.
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<!--quoteo(post=67496:date=Feb 21 2009, 07:01 AM:name=Anchorman)-->QUOTE (Anchorman @ Feb 21 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If anyone thinks you can take the stock battery (really, power distribution) cables and do what IceShark - and now Robby, with thanks on behalf of the 968 community - has done is sadly mistaken. This is a well though out, and professionally engineered and constructed, set of cables that FAR exceeds the originals in ruggedness, reliability, avoidance of voltage drop, and looks. Putting the cable sets side by side is like putting a 22 and a cannon side by side. When I had my original cables removed, they looked like the shielding had been through a shredder and the cables were badly deteriorated. It was clear that I was lucky not to have had any electrical problems (I did the replacement "because I could", not because I was aware of any problem). So, kids, don't be deceived - this is the REAL STUFF. (Note - I have no commercial interest in this product - I just think it's great - thanks for picking this up, Robby!)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This sounds like a smart upgrade that we all should consider. Thanks to Robby for making Ice Shark's cables available. I have a couple of questions, first for Anchorman - You said you weren't aware of any electrical problems when you replaced your cables, but did you notice any improvement after you installed the new ones? I understand the reliability argument, but my car is always garaged, in a warm, salt-free climate, so I'm not sure how much of a priority this would be for me.

Second, for Robby - You say you bought out Dan Wray's inventory of cables and accessories. Does this mean that once this inventory is sold, there won't be any left, or will you (or anyone else) be producing additional ones when the current batch runs out? Thanks.
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My car is garaged all the time, residing in the south, with 80k or so miles on it. The pics of my cables are in the other thread, all the insulation just broke off my alternator cable when I removed them (heat seems to be the main factor). Also these cables are an upgrade, higher awg cable for the positive and negative, also there is a supplemental ground and positive in the kit. The extra ground goes from the battery to the block, and the extra positive run from the battery to the feed block on the fuse panel.
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