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Helmholtz resonator in intake system?
#1

Does anyone know if a Helmholtz Resonator exists anywhere in the intake system?   If so where?  If not, anyone know of how to add one between the air filter and the MAF?   I'm interested in temporary reserving high pressure so it may be injected/transfered in the cylinder immediately when a intake value is opened.   I don't care if it reduces my intake sound.

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#2

Have never heard of this, and I'm 99% sure that nothing like this is installed in our 968s. Let us know what you find out.

 

Regards,

 

Jay

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Quote:Have never heard of this, and I'm 99% sure that nothing like this is installed in our 968s. Let us know what you find out.

 

Regards,

 

Jay


Me too. This is a resonance attenuator (displacement) so I'm unsure what place it has at the input, if it's a little known hp improvement I look fwd to the results.
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Quote:Me too. This is a resonance attenuator (displacement) so I'm unsure what place it has at the input, if it's a little known hp improvement I look fwd to the results.its
this might help clarify. Most modern cars take advantage of these devices in their induction system to keep pressure relatively constant via this reservoir. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoEyIJx3uM0

 

Here is a more detailed explanation in the context of an Naturally Aspirated engine.

https://www.brighthubengineering.com/machine-design/84316-how-intake-resonators-improve-volumetric-efficiency/

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#5

Think you will find that the large chamber that seems extra on our inlet manifold is one of those, same as the extending inlet tubes are on the 993
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#6

That was fun , thanks >

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#7

Quote:Think you will find that the large chamber that seems extra on our inlet manifold is one of those, same as the extending inlet tubes are on the 993
Waylander,  Not sure which large chamber you are referring to. Any chance you can mark up and provide a photo highlighting the chamber? 
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#9

Okay, interesting, tuned inlet, thanks to all who contributed.
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Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you. Thats one interesting looking design. I can kind of see how it works to trap and bounce back air.
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#11

Ingenious engineering in this car .. hats off to Porsche !   The HP they got out from of a 4 cyl. in the early 90 era  is very impressive , but the torque number is nothing short of a phenomenal achievement !  

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#12

What a great community we have here! Ok, the intake side is better appreciated now.

Now could someone help provide a technical reference as to why removing the cat on the exhaust side drops low end torque? I accepted the fact based on trust, Id like to know whats causing this effect.
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#13

Less restriction = slower exhaust flow. Slower exhaust flow = less suction on exhaust stroke = more spent gases in the CC given the same valve overlap.



Thats why variable valve timing changes the overlap to boost low rpm torque vs high end HP.
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#14

First of all, you cannot remove the cat in any U.S. state which has emissions testing requirement and I believe that’s a majority of them, nowadays .  You will not be able to renew your registration without passing a smog test 

Secondly,  even people who bought aftermarket catback systems ( for exhaust sound improvement and some weight savings ) with pipes LARGER than 2.5”  have ended up with a more pronounced low end torque loss because of the back pressure compromise .  This engine’s pulses are very finicky and lack of the exact Porsche-engineered back pressure has an adverse effect .. granted, it’s not a whole lot ( about 15 ft/lbs ) and only within a 300 or so rpm segment but around 3200 to 3500 rpm which is where most people drive / cruise at, so if you step on the gas at that level ,and don’t downshift you’ll get a flat spot you won’t like ..

Not sure what eliminating the cat would do  ( where you could do that .. ROW countries perhaps , or here if you just plan to track the car and not drive it on the street ) , but the more back pressure you remove the greater the torque loss .  If this car had a V8 , it wouldn’t be an issue.. actually I don’t know why the heck they didn’t do that ; the engine bay is big enough for a small block 8-banger .. Yeah, yeah, it would have thrown off our near perfect 50-50 weight balance, and the gas mileage would be poor , blah blah blah  Rolleyes

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Oh but what fun it would have been, high rpm small 3.2 V8
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Quote:Oh but what fun it would have been, high rpm small 3.2 V8

 

oh, yes indeed !! 
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[quote name="Waylander" post="193760" timestamp="1635806776"]

Oh but what fun it would have been, high rpm small 3.2 V8[/quote]




Quote:oh, yes indeed !!



Meh.

   



Im with Flash on 968 V8s.
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#18

I dont care how big the turbo is, nothing sounds like a V8



They are like a resonance with life, 10s or 12s dont sound as good

One of the best sounding cars of all time C63 AMG
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#19

no vehicle inspection of any kind in Florida and it shows.

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Quote:I dont care how big the turbo is, nothing sounds like a V8

They are like a resonance with life, 10s or 12s dont sound as good
 Could not agree more !!   Not just the sound but the entire feel of the V8, large or small,  is unparalleled.   You can have  4. 6, 10, 12 , 16 cyl engines , N/A or SCd, or Turboed  ( and I’ve driven all of those except for the 16 .. but I just can’t get into a Veyron for a test drive no matter what I do ) in cars which may be much , much faster , but not a single one is a match for the sound a V8 produces or even the visceral sense you get out of a V8 engine.  There is a “cosmic balance”  that a V8 has which just gets everything right .  IMO

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