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Water pump experience/recommendations
#1

I recently replaced my water pump as part of my belt change, and I wanted to share my experience with everybody.



First, on the issue of new vs. remanufactured. Several people have reported leaks with remanufactured pumps, but after talking with both Jason and Chuck at Paragon, who informed me they have had no issues with the reman pump they sell, I decided to save the ~$200 price differential vs a new one, and orderd the reman pump from Paragon. I'm happy to report no leaks or problems of any kind. Also, another member of this board, Rhayward, installed a reman pump from Paragon at close to the same time as mine, and he hasn't reported any problems, either. So, hopefully, the previously reported problems with reman water pumps are resolved. But make your own decision on this, as installing a pump that leaks will really ruin your day, because it means doing the entire belt job over. My feeling is that, given that a water pump has a grand total of ONE moving part, surely a problem with a remanufactured one must be the exception rather than the norm.



One issue with a reman pump (at least the one Paragon sells), however, is that they come without the guide pins that are pressed into two of the bolt holes to help secure the pump laterally. Make sure you tap out these pins from your old one before sending it back for your core charge, and CAREFULLY tap them into the appropriate holes in your new pump. Make sure you secure the pump very well on the bottom to evenly distribute the force from the hammer as you tap the pins in, to avoid breaking the pump's casting (another thing that would surely ruin your day). I wonder if not replacing these guide pins is part of the reason some of the reman pumps people have bought in the past have leaked.



And finally, I wasn't completely truthful when I said my new pump didn't leak. It actually did, but not at the mounting point to the block or the impeller bushing - it was leaking from the o-ring that seals the plastic fitting for the host that runs from the pump to the reservoir, which is located on the front of the pump. Forutnately, this piece is easily accessible. The part number for the o-ring is either 2545596/90, or 99970728340 (the verbiage identifying what these numbers mean got cut off from the label on mine), and it's only something like $1.60, if I remember right. Given that this o-ring is so cheap, I would recommend going ahead and replacing it, since you have to put the fitting on the new pump, anyway. Pete told me he's never seen this o-ring fail, so maybe mine was a very unusual case, but my old o-ring was so flattened, scored, and stiff, that it's not surprising that it didn't seal.



OK, I hope this bit of info helps others who are getting ready to replace their water pumps.
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#2

If you do your own work, I don't see a problem with trying a remanufactured pump. I don't know of any Porsche mechanics that will install anything but a new pump, they do not want to have to go back in for free if there is an issue. I've heard this from at least 4 different shops and they will do other things remanufactured but not the H20 pump.
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#3

I can understand why shops would only want to use new pumps, since it's so time-consuming to get to the pump. It just strikes me as pretty low risk that a device as bone-simple as a water pump would be difficult to re-manufacture, so I wouldn't hesitate to go with a reman pump the next time I do this (in about 10 years).
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#4

A fresh reman pump leaking is like roulette. A reman pump having a shorter life than a new pump is as sure as sunrise. Most of the time a reman pump will be good to use out of the box. And I hope yours is one that will last longer than average. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
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I'm sorry, but I just don't understand this. Why on earth would a device with one moving part, and one seal, which is replaced in the remanufacturing process, not last every bit as long as a brand new one? Makes absolutely no sense to me, especially since we tend to replace our pumps not when they fail, but as part of the regular belt change procedure (every other belt change seems like a reasonable interval). And why would Paragon sell me a pump that presents a high risk of a customer return, rather than steering me to one that costs three times as much?
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#6

I'd ordered a reman pump from Porsche at the OPC.

It is there own rebuild program with Porsche warranty :-)





No problems with leaking at buiild in or missing parts. It's complete and has no leaks at the startup!
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#7

I'd checked into that, but it was extremely expensive at my local dealer (don't remember the exact cost - I think the impact of my head hitting the floor has affected my memory of the moment <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />) , and through Sunset Motors, I think it was also something like $300. I'm more than willing to pay a fair price for things as required, but for a device as simple as a water pump, this just struct me as excessive.
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#8

I have a reman from Performance Parts that has had no issues for over a year now. I would also have to agree with the statement Cloud made about the rash of failures being from one reman (or seal/shaft supplier); after 15+ years as an auto tech I can't count how many reman'd water pumps I've installed (and never had to replace again).



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#9

it all comes down to the casting tolerances - if they are tight, and the guy was paying attention when the new bearing got stuck in, then the reman should last as long as the new one - if they were marginal, maybe not



i've probably done about 100 water pumps in different cars over the years, with about 50-50 new/reman - pretty similar results across the board - i can't say i had any better success or failure of one over the other



of course, i check end float and lateral play on remans before installing, and have definitely returned a few that i thought were questionable before putting them in - but then, i've returned a couple of new ones too for similar reasons



ok - i guess that was no help at all - lol
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#10

I recently had the water pump replaced. This is after 24K miles on the old one (new). The replacement was also new. The leak came from the bearings. I was extremely disappointed in the length that the WP lasted. Not sure where I come dowm on remanufactured vs new. I guess my experience with new is not great but I'd rather take my chances with new. It is such an expensive replacement (belts and rollers), I don't want any chances.
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#11

fair enough - i am the same way - i generally buy new parts, but have done both



again, not much help, huh?
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#12

As others have said, it comes down to your circumstances, and your budget. If you're paying a mechanic for the job, you probably have no choice but to go new. If you're doing yoru own work, and it's a daily driver that you are under pressure to get on the road by Monday, new is probably the safer bet. But if you're doing your own work on a car that you don't depend on for daily transportation, and can afford the time to do the job over if the pump leaks, I would say reman is a reasonable alternative. The latter scenario describes me, which is why I made the choide I did.
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#13

I went reman this weekend and will get it tonight. We will see how it turns out. The shop that did the install said it has never been a problem before.
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#14

After a long, very drawn-out ordeal with overheating (which had nothing to do with the reman pump I installed), I'm happy to report no problems whatsoever with the pump. It's early, as the car has only been running a total of just over a month with the reman pump, but so far, so good. Best of luck.
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