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vet your mechanic
#1

way back when i first got my car (almost 6 years ago), i took it to a mechanic that was recommended to me - i didn't have a garage at the time, so i had to rely on someone else

this guy builds 944 race cars, turbos, the whole kit and kaboodle - he said he knew these cars well - he was all the way down in santee, so i figured i needed to check it out thoroughly before dropping it off - after a couple of phone calls, i thought i was in good hands

it was a total train wreck - the guy drove my car around for a week on a broken balance belt - he smoked in the car, leaving ashes everywhere - i had to show him how to install the rear swaybar - he didn't put in any coolant - he cross-mounted my wheels - all this and on top of it he had my "new" car for almost a month, and was 100 miles away - keep in mind that the car had 22k on it and was only in for a belt job and sway bar install - i was just nuts about it all at the end, but i just wanted out of there

then i take it to another shop to have a vibration dealt with that we figured was the balance shaft belt having slipped - turns out that in addition to all the other nonsense, the first guy installed a 944 balance belt - then that got replaced and while i was there we installed the aluminum flywheel - more vibration - $6500 and 2 transaxle rebuilds, 2 clutch balances, and 3 resets of the belts later, we figured out that it was "normal" when you get rid of the DMF

well, after my balance belt broke the other day, it was time to get in there and do the belts - i get the timing belt on, and i'm all set to install the balance belt - i loosen the tensioner pulley and it seems awfully wobbly - i figured i toasted a bearing and that's what caused the belt to snap - nope - i pulled it off to find that a 944 timing belt tensioner pulley had been installed in the place of a balance shaft tensioner pulley - very similar, but the hole size is different

so, what had happened was that the nut got loose enough to let the pulley move a bit, effectively loosening the tension on the belt - this allowed it to flop around in there and ultimately get shredded

bottom line is that the first mechanic installed the wrong part - i thought i had straightened out all of his screw ups, but apparently not - i think i have now undone or redone everything he did, but not one but 2 different "expert" shops who "work on these things all the time" did not catch the simple fact that the pulley was the wrong one, it clearly did not fit correctly, and should not have been used

moral of the story is twofold:

1. make sure you talk to other 968 customers and don't take the "we do these all the time" nonsense - vet your mechanic before trusting your car to them - this is NOT a 944

2. retension your balance shaft belt frequently - getting loose is dangerous - had i have done this more often, i probably would have seen the problem
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#2

Not a problem, I just drive 170 miles up to RSBarn and have pretty much since he opened. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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DIY. Or RSB.
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and furthermore, if your mechanic never questions what the local Porsche dealer tells them re certain parts which
" are the same for 944 and 968 " , make sure you double and triple check the accuracy of those things yourself..
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<!--quoteo(post=73789:date=Jun 12 2009, 01:01 PM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Jun 12 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->1. make sure you talk to other 968 customers and don't take the "we do these all the time" nonsense - vet your mechanic before trusting your car to them - this is NOT a 944

2. retension your balance shaft belt frequently - getting loose is dangerous - had i have done this more often, i probably would have seen the problem<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good advice. I said this on another thread, but I'll repeat it here. I've found that a very convenient time to check the BS belt tightness is during an oil change. For those of us without Canton oil filters, removing the air box improves the access to the oil filter significantly, allowing the placement of rags or paper towels around the base of the filter, eliminatng the spillage of oil from the filter onto the engine. Once you have the air box off, it's only a few more bolts to remove the belt cover and check the belts. Plus, the typical oil change interval of about 5K miles is also a reasonable interval to check the tightness of the balance shaft belt. This is going to be my SOP going forward. Oh, yes, when I checked my BS belt at my recent oil change, it was definitely a bit loose.
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it seems that some of the less expensive parts suppliers are mis-packaging the 944 timing tensioner pulley as the 968 balance tensioner pulley - they are similar, but not the same

i even had sunset give me the wrong part number when i called (got the new kid) - that one was a simple "i read it wrong" kind of mistake, but i still would have gotten the wrong part

i just ordered one from the local dealer and will see monday if it is indeed the right part

this in no way excuses the mechanic when it comes to having installed the wrong part - the instant i put my hand on this, still installed in the car, i knew it was wrong - this was just plain sloppy work by 2 different shops, both who claimed to be "experts"
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update - it turns out it is the right part after all - it is merely incredibly sloppy in how it fits - i presume this is to facilitate adjustment, because it is an eccentric, but all of the other pulleys fit much more snugly - this one has a full .5mm of slop - very bad design, as this can lead to off-kilter alignment of the balance shaft belt, which can lead to it getting loose, hopping off the pulley, and getting sliced, exactly like mine did

this made me crazy - i got in there with some calipers and it looked like i had an 8mm stud in there - i was again cursing the mechanic for mickey-mousing a repair - after backing it out halfway, i got a better measurement and it turned out to be the correct 10mm

so, they're off the hook for this one - not the wrong pulley and not the wrong stud - still wrong belt, and all that, but at least this one..................

anyway, i came up with a solution to the sloppiness, and it now fits like the other pulleys - much better now

going back together today and tomorrow, and will be all shined up and running again for the weekend
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#8

This post struck a nerve as I have had the same types of problems with mechanics that claim to be Porsche / 944 / 968 experts. I generally try to do things myself, but often there just isn't time.

Any recommendations for a good 968 mechanic in Orange County SoCal? I have a suspiscion that the last "expert" screwed up replacement of the door handle connector rod thingy which causes intermittant / random occurances of the alarm going off.

Thanks for any recommendations.
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Scary thing is that many simply would never know. I sure cant Identify a 44 part form a 68. It was Pete who correctly found that a 911 clutch pack was put in my 68.

That kind of experience is worth the money and travel time IMO.
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mike - orange county mechanics - there are a couple of shops around, but i haven't been terribly confident in them, as their priorities have changed and they have gone away from the front engine stuff - i end up doing it myself

i sent you a pm - ring me up
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#11

I just had my car in for a weird steering wheel shake due to the wrong power steering belt having been installed sometime in the past, so I can well imagine the above-mentioned scenarios. However, in the year and a half I've had the car, I've been taking it to Bauer Porsche repair in Oakland, CA, and have been very satisfied. I found them when I was looking at 944S2s in the area and their name came up. One time I even met another 968 owner there!
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