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running hot...
#1

Hi guys,



I've been searching around for some insight into a recent overheating issue, and I'm still confused. If anyone has some suggestions, I'd apreciate the help!



'92 cab

105,000 mi



Rebuilt (not new) waterpump replaced along with thermostat and belts at about 98,000, and it's been running fine temp wise before and since. No recent engine work, so I haven't recently changed anything...



All of the sudden it ran up to the top of the temp gauge. I blasted the heat and it stabilized at the upper end long enough to get me home without lighting the warning light.



Both fans were running, and no visible coolant leaks. Coolant was a little low, so the next day I topped it off and bled it till solid fluid came out the top. I took a trip around the block and it was heading straight back up!



I got back without ventuing into the red light again and checked again under the hood. There was coolant passing through the small overflow line into the expansion tank, the one near the cap. I don't know if that's normal, but it looked to be circulating, so I took that as a positive sign for the waterpump. I've read that sometimes the rebuilt ones go bad.



So I started to tinker. I pulled the radiator and it did have some rust scales in the upper hose side. A magnet pulled out a little over a coke bottle cap's worth, although a couple of pieces were relatively large.



There was a slight discoloring on the bottom of the upper hose side against the fans (i'll try to get a pic if anyone wants to see) that I took for either possible evidence of something different happening in that area, or something spilled there... It almost looks like that whiteish corrosion you see on aluminum, but it's very faint. The rest is clean along with the a/c unit in front.



I ran some hot water through it and there weren't any serious temperature differentials along the face. It seemed to be a little slower to react along the bottom(stained area), but nothing dramatic. Probably my imagination.



Then I started to worry about the head gasket. Compression test reads 195, 190, 180, 185. I haven't been able to find any specific reference for what I should be reading in the shop manuals or online, but 10% variance doesn't seem too terrible, or at least not obvious for a quick non-repeated test.



I'm going to see if I can borrow a leak-down tester tomorrow and maybe locate someone in town that will test the plastic radiator. I guess I should just replace the thermostat while I'm in there. Maybe I should have done that first? It just seems like I replaced it yesterday, but I guess it's been about a year and 7k miles.



Is this pointing to anything obvious??? Thanks in advance.



-RB





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Quote:I'm going to see if I can borrow a leak-down tester tomorrow and maybe locate someone in town that will test the plastic radiator. I guess I should just replace the thermostat while I'm in there. Maybe I should have done that first? It just seems like I replaced it yesterday, but I guess it's been about a year and 7k miles.



You're on the right track. Those are the exact steps I would perform. The leak-down will be the best determinate of the condition of the head gasket. Coolant in the oil? Oil in the coolant? Abnormal pressure in the cooling system? Radiator obstructed? Waterpump pumping? Hoses collapsing? Thermostat stuck in the closed? Temp gauge accurate? Good luck, keep us up on how it goes.
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After I wrote last night, I went down and tried to pull the thermostat and the tip on my snap ring pliers snapped off and squirted coolant in my eyes! I guess she just didn't want to be fixed last night.



I didn't run the used oil into a white bucket, but it appears normal as did the coolant.



I'll grab some real tools today and keep you posted.



Thanks!
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#4

Autozone sells a set of heavy duty snap ring pliers with two different heads for changing angles. I found that the thermostat came out much easier with the heavy duty ones.
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#5

It sounds like you have a lot of the bases covered already. I remember someone having a mysterious overheat problem and it turned out the waterpump shaft had separated from the impeller, so keep the water pump on the suspect list.
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#6

pressure test the radiator cap too
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#7

Good news! I borrowed some heavy duty ring pliers from work today and pulled the thermostat. Boiled it to 220 and it never opened! Let's hope that fixes it.



I wish I had known to check the radiator hose when it was hot. Well, anyway I got to flush the radiator with a good hosing and pull that rust crud out. Probably a good idea to run the flush through that I already purchased too. Wrench and learn...



Is there any certain Thermostat that I should buy? Truth is I thought they were all the same and probably bought whatever they had in stock at the local store when I did the pump. 7k miles is pretty low I'd guess, should this be a dreaded factory replacement? It's probably not that expensive anyway.



Thanks everyone for the help (again). Hopefully I'll get to post that the problem is fixed soon!



-RB
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#8

definitely the stock temp thermostat



if you haven't changed it already though, now is the time to do the low dual temp fan switch



make sure you use phosphate free antifreeze and deionized or distilled water
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#9

Yeah, good idea. Thanks. I went ahead and ordered the thermostat plus the vanagon temp sender, the airbox mod ports and attachment kit and a fresh set of valve cover gaskets and grommets so I can check out the guides and cam gears.



While I'm waiting on UPS, I need to try to pull the a/c line that runs from the drier back to the firewall as it's leaking from the rubber hose. I'm hoping a hose shop can repair it rather than having to replace. We have a good local shop that does custom braided brake lines and such and I figured it's worth a try. I just haven't dug the other end out from under the firewall plastic. If I can get the hose fixed, I'll try the HC conversion too.



I'll install the thermostat and fan temp sender and make sure that fixes things before I start on the new projects.



Thanks again for the help, I'll post the results when I know.



-Rich
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#10

The new parts are in and all is good. Low temp fan switch, new thermostat, flushed radiator, water wetter, air box mod, and hall sender plug temporarily patched. She's running stronger than ever, and resting nicely near the lower thin temp mark.



Didn't get to the a/c line, it looks like a real bear to dig out.



Thanks everyone for the advice.



-Rich
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[quote name='rb8888' date='Nov 15 2005, 11:14 AM']The new parts are in and all is good.  Low temp fan switch, new thermostat, flushed radiator, water wetter, air box mod, and hall sender plug temporarily patched.  She's running stronger than ever, and resting nicely near the lower thin temp mark. 



Didn't get to the a/c line, it looks like a real bear to dig out.



Thanks everyone for the advice. 



-Rich

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A real simple fix for too high temps is to blow out the oil cooler and radiator with compressed air-from behind-back to front-to get rid of all the grit/rubber/bugs that become imbedded with many miles (especially track miles).

Gary
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i hate those gritty rubber bugs
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