[Aus968]

Flash,

This just proves my point, you do and have had have a reason to say our bar cost too much, so you can sell your parts when the time comes, I cant believe that others don't see whats going on here, trust me we don't do this for the money if you knew how much our brace cost us you would wonder why we do it, as we stated in the very first post that we posted showing our strut brace this is a hobby for us also, although i do not enjoy the grinding and polishing.



I also think that the Moderators should start looking at flash as a vendor as he has just proven to us all that he is and will be a vendor also but seeing that the mods are his buddies i'm not sure if that will happen or not. Flash, if you can't see that the additional strength IS an issue you may not have the right numbers or really know what you are talking about, any brace that move's from side to side with finger pressure is not very effective, is it flash.



I can only imagine what would happen if i got on the forums either 968.net rennlist.com or 968forums.com and started stating that another vendor was ripping you guys off and that you don't need this Product but i'm designing building one that's cheaper and better, but i guess if i did it in a nice way it would be alright.



Scott

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[SANDOVAL]

Scott,



Bob's posts have only been his opinions which are allowed in an "open" forum. Every vendor will have their selling points as to why their product is superior. Your selling point is Design and quality. KLA's selling point is a low entry cost. Dave spanked Bob in the passed when he was out of line. So I don't think the buddy claim is valid. The bottom line is that everyone is entitled to their opinions. There is not a vendor that enjoys hearing negative comments about there products. Including me, I have read negative reviews about Rejex in the passed and I have read 100's of positive reveiws. It's a fact of life, not everyone will love what you have to offer. As nice of a guy Bob is you are giving his opinon/response too much credit. I highly doubt in the big scheme of things his opinions will hurt your overall sales. His one and only knock on your product is that it is over priced. Guys on the Corvette forums probably say the "Porsche 911" is way over priced, guess what Porsche still sells 10's of thousands of units every year.



If this thread gets personal, (which I hope it does not go there) I know the mods will take action and I will stand behind the decision. You have a great product that fits a niche market and I know you have and will still continue to do well.

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[Etnier]

Coming at this from the outside I see two things of concern which should be addressed, regardless of assurances to the contrary (everyone- please try to open their minds on this):

• • Specifics of the arrangement notwithstanding, Flash is apparently setting himself up as the source of a substantial new line of 968 components.
  
  • He also holds a significant editorial position in a Porsche publication.
  
  

These are two major reasons why he should be thinking carefully when making any opinion posts on these boards: he's not in the same position relative to manufacturers and potential advertisers as he was a few months ago. I'm not sure that adjustment process has taken place as of yet.

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[flash]

ok guys - let's get this one straight - i am not going into the business of selling parts - i am working out a few deisgns for my car - i am having them made - it turns out that other people want some of the stuff too - i am then letting the vendors that made them for me sell them for themselves - i'm not in the loop on that - people will be dealing directly with the vendors - the only reason that i am doing any of it is because so far, the stuff out there is not being sold at cost, or is not designed as well as it could be



as for the dynatech costing the company so much to make - sounds to me like somebody isn't using the right vendors - that bar should not cost more than about 160 bucks to make - the plates would be computer cut - the bar should be programmeable as well - then the hardware and polishing - no big deal really - a 20% markup is fair in this market - a 100% markup is standard retailing, but not what this market will bear - that is your right though, but it motivates others to either make a less expensive choice, or to make it themselves



i really don't know what all the fuss is about - here's what i can do - i'll take the picture of the dynatech brace out to some vendors and get quotes on what it would cost to make - then i'll post the quotes - how's that?



as for the KLA moving from side to side - i don't know what you are talking about there - mine does not move side to side - axial rotation has nothing to do with function loss - there is no side to side movement when properly installed - all load is fully transferred - the bar does not bend under load, therefore it is as strong as it needs to be - the weak point is the tower, not the bar, as is the case with yours, or any other similar mounting



john - i understand your concerns - i thought of all that - if there were a conflict, i would have to step out - i can't editorialize within the context of the magazine, as in the case of comparing one against the other - i also won't be going into the manufacturing business either, for that and other reasons - it's just not what i want to do, but since nobody else wants to step up and make the stuff i want for a fair price, or the way i want it, i will arrange to have it done myself



everybody really needs to relax - from what i've seen, i like the dynatech brace - it's pretty and functional - i really don't care what they charge, or if somebody else chooses to buy it - in fact, i've recommended it to those who want a better look - it's only my opinion that they would sell more if they were cheaper - again, what's the big deal?

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[SANDOVAL]

Bob,



I disagree with the price you came up with. It would be accurate if this brace was made for Honda Civics and they could sell 5000 Units this year. If you were looking at the KLA brace in the same light their bar should only cost $50. Here is a good example the Dinan Strut tower brace for the 3 series BMW is priced right around $450. Their pricing overall is very high since you are buying a name. I think the Dynatech Strut tower brace looks better then the Dinan too.







http://dinancars.com/Series.asp?Series=14&...is%20Tuning#139



Reading through the Rennlist thread you can see some guys are not it to the bling and they are happy getting a less flashy unit at a fraction of the cost.

Both the KLA and Dynatech braces serve their own purpose. It all comes down to your individual need and budget. Some guys have a very little to spend on mods then the KLA is a great value for the performance gain. Others have $25K to drop on turbo charging their car so I would imagine spending $350. I think the pricing that dynatech is charging is inline. Again this is my opinion.

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[Anchorman]

If I were moderating this thread, I'd now say something like "We're at, and maybe past, the point where more of this discussion is worthwhile. Everyone understands the cost/price/value opinions. Until there are other choices and other sources, any currently uncommitted buyers can decide based on the available options. I don't see anyone having more to offer than additional subjective views - and that's likely to be repetitive at best, irksome (or more) at worst. I would also take a moment to thank Flash for having chosen an apt nickname - one that works from a variety of perspectives."

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[flash]

eric - personally, i think that is outrageously priced - i understand that i am in a unique position to be able to make some stuff myself for a lot less than i can buy it retail, and that not everybody is in that position - that is why there are retailers out there - however, if i can get the stuff made for myself, and at the same time get it made for somebody else, and let them also benefit from a lower price, i will - why not?



jim, i would have to agree - i think we have about beaten this one to death



every car should have a brace - i'd love to see it - i really don't care which one - anything i can do to help dynatech or anybody else get their excellent products out there to more people is always of foremost interest to me



in that spirit, i'd like to offer to dynatech the contacts that i find that may help them reduce their manufacturing cost, and thereby allow them to reduce their price, so that more 968 owners might be inclined to buy their brace - i have no bone to pick with them, or their products, nor do i bear them any ill will - i only want to see as many 968 owners as possible enjoying the full potential of the car

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[Greimann]

And with that. I request any further commentary be sent offline. I could lock this thread, but I believe we are all adults here and I am giving ya'll the benefit of self moderation.

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[Anchorman]

My guess - and that's all it is - is that Dave had asked that further commentary be offline, and he was relying on folks to respect that. When that didn't happen, he took action - which I'm also guessing was not intended to be taken personally.

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[Greimann]

It is about respecing the wishes of the Moderator. In administered forums, there is no free speech. There is nothing personal about it. I asked that no more posts be made and, and there were, several times.

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