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Racing simulators
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This is something of a follow-on to my thread about my need to improve my ability to look farther down the track to improve the smoothness of my inputs. Being the father of two young kids, I can only make it out the the track for maybe three DEs a year, and am concerned that this will thwart my progress, even once I get this looking down the track thing figured out. So, I was wondering how you guys felt about racing simulators. One of the guys who started doing DEs about the same time I did, but is blowing me into the weeds, is a pilot who swears that practicing on his Logitech Momo has greatly improved his track driving. My last instructor disagreed, saying there is just no substitute for seat time, and I agreed with him, on the assumption that the last thing I need is to be staring at a monitor a few inches from my nose playing a simulation game.



But that was before I ran across this in a catalog. It would be a lot of money, but it seems that this set-up with a large flat panel monitor on the wall in front of it, at a strategic height, could be very beneficial in forcing me to practice looking up and forward while driving on the track. I also like that this unit has dolby surround sound via speakers attached to the frame. I could even wear my helmet to make the experience as life-like as possible (OK, now I'm starting to scare myself..)



What do you guts think about this? There must be some type of formula or rule of thumb for how large the screen should be, based on its distance from ones head, to maximize the sense of "immersion" in the experience. Of course, the screen can't be too big, or you'd lose some of the image past the boundaries of your peripheral vision.



The other side benefit I see from this is that it could be a way to get my kids, and maybe even my wife, interested in racing, which would make the trips to the track more of an inclusive family activity. Plus it could only help hone their (mainly the kids, not my wife) future driving skills.



Thoughts? As I said, this will be a very expensive set-up, since I imagine the optimal screen size would be quite large. Any suggestions as to where (and when) to get the best price on a flat panel monitor or TV? Or is this just a total waste of money? Thanks.
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#2

Funny that the pilot is blowing your doors off but he is just taking the same steps he took to become a pilot. All pilots first begin their lessons on a simulator...Todays technology make it where its NO GAME AT ALL.

This is about as close as you can get to the real thing without without catching a disease.

OK, so the cars behave a little different than the video... but what you learn is:



1) Oversteer

2) Understeer

3) Drift

4) Smooth is fast

5) Threshold Braking.



I started on simulators and autocross and I think it has helped me a ton...So I'm no pro, but at least it helped make me more competitive.
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I've read/heard that many pro drives ( F1, NASCAR ect..) use them off season to keep there skills up; so Race away.



BTW- I noticed that using a wheel/pedal set up improves your game times as opposed to using just the mouse/keyboard. But the seat setup seems a bit much (not that there is anything wrong with that <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )
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How about a computer set up instead?



You could go with a few widescreen monitors linked together, that would get you that peripheral vision immersion you are looking for
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I like Grand Turismo for PS2, you can choose from two different in car views and is very realistic. Many NASCAR drivers and roadracers talk about using GT for a track preview before they go to a track for the first time. I will try tonight and see if I am looking through the corners when I am playing. Only problem is the only Porsches are rear engined, I like the RX-7.
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#6

OMG that is SUPER!



Yes! Get it! I'm gonna get one myself! dammmnnnnnn!



$699 doesn't seem too expensive - consider what you're getting.
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[quote name='chris' post='27757' date='Nov 9 2006, 07:22 AM']How about a computer set up instead?



You could go with a few widescreen monitors linked together, that would get you that peripheral vision immersion you are looking for[/quote]



Hmmm... Wouldn't the discontinuity of the picture created by the monitors' frames be distracting?



[quote name='badberry68' post='27758' date='Nov 9 2006, 07:49 AM']I like Grand Turismo for PS2, you can choose from two different in car views and is very realistic. Many NASCAR drivers and roadracers talk about using GT for a track preview before they go to a track for the first time. I will try tonight and see if I am looking through the corners when I am playing.[/quote]



Thanks! I'd be very interested to hear if the game encourages you to look through the corners. I wouldn't consider getting something like this if it didn't. In fact, my initial objection to a simultor is that I thought it would worsen my habit of staring too close to the front of the car. But with a large enough monitor mounted at the right height, and the right distance away (not sure what "right" is yet; still need to research that), I would think it reinforce the right cornerng technique. Let us know what you find.



[quote name='ether_joe' post='27765' date='Nov 9 2006, 10:44 AM']OMG that is SUPER!



Yes! Get it! I'm gonna get one myself! dammmnnnnnn!



$699 doesn't seem too expensive - consider what you're getting.[/quote]



Yeah, doesn't it look cool? Only there's a LOT more than $699 involved, after adding the monitor, wheel/pedals, the game software, and any necessary upgrades to the computer. It will be well over 2 grand, I'm sure. Gonna do some more research before I go for it, but it sure does look awesome.
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Gee what a coinceidence, I build and install flight simulators for a living. If its good enuff for the US military to trian with sims, its got to be good enuff for racing. A couple years ago my company bulit a simulator for Williams F1. I know what you you a showing is a long way off from a $25 mil flight sim, but any traing helps.
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[quote name='Cloud9...68' post='27783' date='Nov 9 2006, 07:32 PM']Hmmm... Wouldn't the discontinuity of the picture created by the monitors' frames be distracting?[/quote]

It could, but that is based on what you buy. Most modern LCD monitors have very thin side walls, plus you adapt very quickly and don't notice them
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#10

easy solution... purchase a rear mount projector... this will allow you to change the size of the screen by moving it closer or further away from your wall/screen so you can get what feels to be the optimum size.



And you can tell your wife the purchase is so you can watch movies with the family... think of all the money you'll save on movie tickets
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=107485



Here is a good article for you. The pro was better in the game as well.
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