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pipes, pipes, and more pipes
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for the past 7 years i have been playing with exhaust systems for this car, in an effort to get the right sound, the right look, significant weight loss, not lose power, and maximize performance - it has been a very long and very expensive journey, with over $11k invested in a dozen different cat-backs, and of course the header - all along the way i learned a lot about how the engine works, what things have what effects, what myths there are out there about different systems, and what they do, and don't do - i tried just about everything, and compared a lot of data on a number of different systems - there was always some form of compromise with every system - either it didn't fit the way i wanted, or interfered with something else, or didn't sound right, or had the notorious midrange torque dip that any free flow system showed



so, i went about making my own system - this allowed me to get the fit i wanted, with the muffler nicely centered and tucked up high, and the pipes formed to fit perfectly - the tone was greatly improved, accentuating the low notes, and muffling the high ones - weight was decent, and there was none of the nasty torque dip - so, finally i had landed on something that almost made me happy





i say "almost", because in spite of the obvious performance increase of the rs barn header, and all credit given to the development of that, i was never happy with the sound it made - when it was cold, it had too much of a "kazoo" sound for my tastes - when it warmed up, it wasn't bad, using either the rs barn cat-back, or the one i ended up developing - still though, the OEM header sounded better - it just didn't flow as well



for almost 5 years i lived with the sound, because i could not give up the performance - with the advent of the supercharger though, i was again thrust into the arena of exhaust systems - in developing the kit, i had to reinstall the factory header - i fell in love with the sound again - once i was done with that though, and knowing that a forced induction engine is not as prone to torque loss issues with exhaust system changes, i wanted to see how much more power there was available, and so the rs barn header went back on - immediately i could tell that it flowed better up top, and could make more power - i was still running the factory catalytic converter, and so the lower end gains that we had seen on charts were not there as much, but you could tell the upper end was less restricted - unfortunately the sound again became a problem - in addition to that, the engine no longer ran right with the header, and needed way too much fuel - also, the DME is not capable of managing the rapidity of the changes in flow, due to the free flowing nature of the header - this presented a couple of problems



1. there was no way the header was going to pass any sort of emissions testing - the visual inspection was an obvious issue, but the output measurements would not be close to passing

2. in order to provide enough fuel off idle, the low end of the maps became too rich for the longevity of the engine, and would ultimately result in fuel wash - as this is a street car, that was unacceptable



so, back to the OEM header



not wanting to give up any power now, and realizing that there was upper end restriction in the OEM header, i went about doing some measuring and redesigning - i took the system apart, and started looking at how it was built - i found that the primary tubes were not all that different from the aftermarket tubes - ok - that's good news - then i looked at the secondaries - again, the volume worked out fairly nicely - that left the collector - aha!



porsche, in designing the system, had crimped down the tube at the collector, and then inserted a reducer sleeve - this dropped the cross-sectional area to just under 3" - they did this to improve low end torque - this made total sense, since that is what the engine needed most - it worked too - unfortunately this created a restriction up top that choked down the engine



now, what to do? i got inside each primary and resized the tubes and cleaned up the manufacturing anomalies that hindered flow (slag, bumps, reduced entries) - i did the same thing to the secondaries - this was a number of hours of tedious machining, but this would help with flow and heat - then it was time to rework the collector - this meant removing the crimped down area, reshaping the secondary exits, and creating a new merge point that more closely matched the oval exit tube which had about 4.9" of cross sectional area - there wasn't a lot of room in which to work, but we got it done! when i was finished, i ended up with 4.524" of cross sectional area - that is a 50% increase in cross sectional area over what was there before



then it was off to the ceramic coaters to have the outside of the entire header coated, and then the inside also coated with an extremely high temp thermal coating - this will promote scavenging, and also reduce under hood temps - it will also smooth out the tone even more



i get it all back tomorrow - i am very excited about what this will all do in the end - i think i will finally have the ultimate exhaust system for the 968 of my dreams - it will be completely street legal too, as i am still running the factory cat (aftermarket cats won't pass tailpipe tests) - it will only work on my setup, and isn't for anybody else, but it should really give me what i have wanted for all these years



no, i wil not be reproducing this - this is purely a one-off
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#2

And so it goes.........................







Great read Bob.............
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lol - thanks - it has been a very long road
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#4

As always, great excitement in your inexhaustible <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> efforts to improve things. However, you should always put your last line first so we don't get excited. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

I was ordering my RSB exhaust today and got all hyped up that there might be something better in the works. C'est dommage.
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lol - sorry about that - it was more of a cathartic thing for me to finally put down in writing the tale of effort



as for "better" i'm not sure about that - it's rather subjective - because i want to drive the car on the street, and i have the supercharger, and i have no interest is rebuilding my engine prematurely, i can't run the header - i never liked the sound of it anyway - so, this was a necessary step for me



the cat-back portion of it was also subjective - on a normally aspirated engine it isn't really any different in performance than the rs barn cat-back - i like the way it fits and looks better than the rs barn, but that's about it - the motivator for coming up with it was aesthetics and the fact that i blew the back end off of the dynomax muffler pete used at the time - it was one of the early ones, and the rolled edge design could not handle the pulse pressure of the engine with a 7800rpm redline and a 12lb flywheel - it was just too much too fast - when it blew off, i decided to come up with something that fit better, rather than replace the muffler with another of the same type - there have been no subsequent stories of similar problems, so i think they fixed the design - on a supercharged engine, i expect this cat-back to outperform the rs barn, though not likely by much



it was really rather a bummer that i could not make the header work with the SC - i have a relatively unlimited budget, yet it didn't matter - no amount of money was going to make it run right for street use - it's just too fat - it was so bad that it ruined the new ceramic coating in about an hour - too much fuel making the exhaust too hot - i was able to clean some of it up, but not enough for street use - it was ultimately going to be an expensive problem



the good news is that i think i will have most or all of the performance of the header, without the headaches, so in the end i think it was worth it
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#6

Are you going to dyno the before/after? Would love to hear about it. I guess you don't know yet if it will flow so well that it requires more fuel than can be delivered with the supercharger setup?
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not sure - probably not - i'm not interested too much in the numbers - i'm only interested in the midrange performance
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Flash I called my Stromung guy a couple of days ago, left a message to see if he was up for developing a cat-back system. He knows exhaust, but doesn't seem to get the hang of voice mail or email. I'll keep trying and let you know. I want you two to have a chat. He mentioned before that he'd definitely be interested if he could sell at least 10 pieces. Hope to get this going soon...



-Austin
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With all that have done for this community we have no problem you keeping this one to yourself. I hope that its everything you wish it to be.
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just got the stuff back from the coater - haven't unwrapped any of it yet, but i took a peek - so pretty - i'll see if i can snap a shot later tonight
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as promised, a couple of shots - no way to show the mods done inside - the thermal coating i had done on the inside makes it pitch black in there with no ability to show contour change



a comparison shot:

   



the "new" primaries:

   

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I swear, when I get to the Paso Robles run one day I am going down on my knees in your driveway and beg for one of your one-off mods. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
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roflmao - i'm just having fun - i think i can get around to installing the stuff tomorrow - can't put the car on the ground yet though - a couple more little mods to do underneath, and i am waiting for the parts to arrive - later this week for sure though



but these guys are amazing at the coatings - the ceramic coating on the outside is like chrome - absolutely stunning - very happy - the thermal coating on the inside is supposed to do some pretty wonderful things too



i can't wait
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okee dokee - it's back in the car - a couple of quick mods left to do underneath the car (unrelated) and i can fire it up again - should be wednesday



woohoo! getting close now
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#15

well, the good news is that the flow was definitely increased - the bad news is that the flow was definitely increased



now that everything is opened up, the gasses are traveling too fast over the O2 sensor and causing it to misbehave - it exhibits some of the same problems the header had - the OEM shape is designed not only to add low end torque, but also to redirect the gasses past the sensor - opening it up put the sensor right smack in the middle of the flow - i will need to reorient the sensor, and then remap to account for the changes, as the changes will cause delay in reading, and it won't run right, and would be too lean exactly when and where i don't want it to be, and i'll have to do a lot of work to convince it otherwise



i think i can get it to work, but it will definitely be a one-off, and certainly not the way i wanted to go, and not in any shape the way i would set up somebody else's car - i may yet have to go back to the OEM shape - this is exactly one of the reasons why i abandoned the header - it seems that opening up the exhaust, regardless of header type, precludes street use with the supercharger



i also picked up some of the raspy tone i had before - arrrrgh



we'll see..................
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#16

That's to bad. I have always been a fan of the tone of the car without the header/exhaust. When I heard your car for the first time I thought it had sounded really high pitched(no offense of course). If anyone can get it to work it'll be you.
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it's not nearly as bad as with the header - i haven't actually had a chance to drive the car yet to see what i think about it - it may well just have been the coatings cooking in - it only made the noise cold and even then only at higher rpms
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