[flash]

in contemplation of a move to ireland, i am faced with the decision of whether or not to take the new car with me.  i already know that insurance is going to be stupid.  couple that with the fact that this is a left hand drive car, and would be in a left hand road country, and that parking spaces are insanely narrow, it just may not make sense to keep the car, regardless of how much i love it and would like to keep it.  while i am certain it can be done, i am stuck trying to figure out what it will cost me.  the issue is not the shipping cost, but rather the operational cost due to the infrastructure.

 

in particular, i am trying to determine the VRT.  i cannot find the Statistical Code, nor the CO2 number.  if i had those, i could plug them into their calculator and try to determine the annual tax on the car.

 

also, i cannot seem to find out of i will have to pay VAT or any other specific tax on the car when i bring it in

 

anybody have any info?

 

 

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[Ab54666]

Normally VAT AND Custome duty is payable when importing from outside the EU, surely Porsche can tell you the CO2. Be warned, Ireland has a high road tax rate. a 968 would have about a 1500 Euro annual tax.

 

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mov...tml#la6a26

 

The targa GTS according to Porsche is either 237 or 214 co2 depending if PDK, pray it's 214 and 1200 euro tax and not 237 and 2350 euro!

 

http://vrt.ie/roadTax.php

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[flash]

thanks.  i can't find the app to download, nor a list to look things up.  mine is a pdk.  so, is it 214 or 237?

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[Rap]

Article in the wall st journal today of the difficulties drivers in Myanmar have with cars that are right hand drive cars driving on the right hand side of the road. Now we all know you are perhaps one of the best drivers ever born, bar none, but it's worth a read!

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[flash]

roflmao - never worried about the left hand drive left hand road thing.  not really an issue.  not perfect for sure.  but, you just have to be brighter than the furniture.

 

the issue is the cost.  it doesn't make sense at some point, and i am trying to find that point.  it looks like i will dump the car if i am moving to ireland.  i may dump it anyway, because it looks like i could profit $20k.

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[IndischRot968]

Flash, you'll have to pay import VAT (23%) and import duty (10% if I'm not mistaken) when bringing a car from outside EU as Ab54666 correctly stated. However, if you'll be relocating permanently you probably may apply for an exemption. Not sure what are the rules in Ireland, but when I brought 968 to EU from the States I needed to prove that I was a legal owner of the car in the US for at least 12 month period before importing it to Europe. Thus I paid neither VAT nor import duty. There are other taxes such as VRT and Motor Tax in Ireland but I'm not qualified to comment on those. One more thing - I had to obtain EU conformance certificate prior to registering 968 as it was US market designated car and coming back from the US.

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[flash]

well, that may be good news about the VAT and import duty.  i will have owned the car for 12 months on jan 1.  it makes sense, since you are waived on VAT on all other personal belongings when you move.

 

i knew about the conformance cert.  i don't think i have a problem there.

 

then it is just the ridiculous VRT and insurance rates.  i am hoping to get around the insurance issue with some sort of limited mileage or use policy.  it's not likely i would be driving the car much anyway, due to the nature of irish traffic and parking.  it would be a pure pleasure vehicle.

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[Ab54666]

PDK is 214 so 1200 Euro.

 

I don't think you can avoid import duty etc i'm afraid. if I import a car from outside the EU to the UK it's applicable whether a resident or not.

 

I personally would just sell and buy another, much easier and no doubt cheaper.

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[flash]

can't buy another.  they don't make them anymore.  i have the last normally aspirated targa, and they no longer make a GTS targa at all.  on top of that, this is a special order car.  it is the only one on this continent like it.

 

from what i have read, there is no import duty on anything else coming over in the container.  why would there be for a car?  not sure how they would calculate it anyway.  how would they determine the value?

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[Ab54666]

Thats incorrect, there are variable rates depending on what the goods are, for instance 17% on wellington boots!

 

I assume you have to declare a value, it then within a very short time of arriving has to go for inspection, maybe it's 'checked' then for value.

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[Rap]

I think its only fair that the rich pay high taxes and fee's. After all if you can afford an expensive car obviously you can afford high taxes. I mean like really this is an easy one. Pay all the taxes and fee's and enjoy the car. This is what you bought it for!

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[flash]

while there is a tiered structure on various goods, ranging form 0 to 23%, according to what i can find, they waive the VAT on all of your personal belongings when you move there.  after you are there, then anything you bring in has a VAT.

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[unknown4u]

https://m.dutycalculator.com/new-import-...it/240724/Flash have you tried this one?

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[ds968]

If you can sell it at a profit here, why in the world would you want to deal with all of the issues of taking it over there ?

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[flash]

rap - i agree to a point.  the issue is whether or not it makes sense.  given the small parking, and the ridiculous cost, the opportunity to drive it is minimal, and i am not sure i want to spend the amount of money it would work out to be for each drive.  quick math.  assuming that i drive the car a dozen times a year, which is likely about all i would get the chance to do over there, and factoring in the $150 i still owe on the car, and the insurance cost and registration cost of the car, stretched out over a 5 year period, it would cost me over $3k every time i drove the car.  while i love the car, i am having a hard time justifying that.  it's different over here, where i can drive it every day.

 

unknown - yes, i saw that.  the problem is the value.  do i put in what i paid for it, what i can sell it for, what i owe on it, or what the blue book says?  also, there is no specific shipping cost, as it would go over in a container full of other stuff.

 

ds - exactly!!!  however, i bump up against the cool factor of having a one of a kind car, and the fact that i really love driving it.

 

i can always order a new one, and get it right hand drive, and it would actually be faster than this one.  it would also actually be less expensive to buy, and to register and insure (smaller engine).  it just wouldn't be "the last of its kind" and all that.

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[unknown4u]

Normally you put in what you paid for it. You can prove it by an original bill. In Holland you have to put the original price from the blue book.

But don't you have friends in Ireland who can inform overthere what the cost will be? There is in holland. And perhaps it is a european rule, that in case of immigration you must have at least one year and you are not allowed to sell it within 12 months after importing it.

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[flash]

on a new car, i can see the logic in putting in the price of the car.  but what about a used car?  say a 968 for example.  if you were the original owner, you may have paid $50k, but that would not be the value now.  my targa is similar.  i paid $175k for it, but the build sheet was only $160, current "value" is $190k (according to other ones i have seen for sale), and kelly blue book doesn't even list it, and nada only lists the regular targa and not the GTS, and is only $119k.  that's a pretty big range

 

ireland has the same 12 month deal.  i think it's an EU thing

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[flash]

i am going over the tax laws and it looks like i get a permanent exemption of the VRT, if i am moving there permanently, and have had the car in service outside the State for more than the minimum requirement of 6 months

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[ds968]

Still...my recommendation for your automobile dilemma can be summed up in two words ( or maybe it's three words, or maybe it's practically one word ) : Mini-Cooper S

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[flash]

lol - actually, thinking about snagging a couple of A3 3 doors for banging around.  i can get them for $14-$17k.  i would do the diesel S-line 2.0 because they get 32/42 and are a decent package.  for a fun car, i may end up building an MGB with a supercharged 2 liter in it mated up to a 5 speed.  that would weigh about 1900lbs and have about 220hp.  not sure if i would go right hand drive or left.

 

started poking around today about placing the targa.  i'm going to let the numbers drive this one, and not my emotions.

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