[pazzer]

What are your thoughts on this piece of kit, various people in the uk seem its a big no no, and the car handles poorly with it, heard today of a race shop that it makes the car rear steer due to the big poundage springs you use due to no torsion bars, all opinions are welcome, looking to purchase one this month hopefully. car is mainly for fun on tracks but will be used on road slightly. regards pazzer.

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[RS Barn]

[quote name='pazzer' post='28706' date='Dec 4 2006, 05:23 PM']What are your thoughts on this piece of kit, various people in the uk seem its a big no no, and the car handles poorly with it, heard today of a race shop that it makes the car rear steer due to the big poundage springs you use due to no torsion bars, all opinions are welcome, looking to purchase one this month hopefully. car is mainly for fun on tracks but will be used on road slightly. regards pazzer.[/quote]



I'm a big fan of kit. Even though I haven't installed one there are several advantages over stock T bar and T bar carrier. The T bar carrier is big , heavy and offers lots of places for movement which lets the allignment wander. The Kokeln unit mounts solid, has redesingned pick up points and individual camber and toe settings that won't change under load like stock.

This is an expensive racing piece that is very functional for a track car.

Running coilovers only on the rear works great for a track car. Spring rate will be high starting at 400 and even going up to 650. Can I say "Not reccomended for street Use"

Pete

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[Eric_K]

I don't think that shop knows what they are talking about. Running rear coilovers does not hurt the handling in any way. I thought the ride was fine when I ran 600# rear coilovers on my street/track 968. Everybody is different, but if it is not daily driven, you might not mind either.



The kokeln piece is nice but at $2500 it should be.

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[pazzer]

[quote name='Eric_K' post='28716' date='Dec 4 2006, 03:16 PM']I don't think that shop knows what they are talking about. Running rear coilovers does not hurt the handling in any way. I thought the ride was fine when I ran 600# rear coilovers on my street/track 968. Everybody is different, but if it is not daily driven, you might not mind either.



The kokeln piece is nice but at $2500 it should be.[/quote]



Well guys i called pete and had a very informative chat with him regarding suspension and i have made up my mind, escort cups 600 f 650 r, rear delete kit, racers edge solid bushes allround, sod what everybody over here says, like you say Eric i dont think that shop knows what they are on about, plus i dont think they have even tested the kokeln piece either so who are they to judge. plus i want to be different than all the 68s running KWs over here, just cant wait to get it all ordered, and yes i will be getting pete's full system aswell. will post some pics after new year, it mad month at work at the moment, cheerio for now pazzer. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[RS Barn]

[quote name='pazzer' post='28727' date='Dec 5 2006, 08:11 AM']Well guys i called pete and had a very informative chat with him regarding suspension and i have made up my mind, escort cups 600 f 650 r, rear delete kit, racers edge solid bushes allround, sod what everybody over here says, like you say Eric i dont think that shop knows what they are on about, plus i dont think they have even tested the kokeln piece either so who are they to judge. plus i want to be different than all the 68s running KWs over here, just cant wait to get it all ordered, and yes i will be getting pete's full system aswell. will post some pics after new year, it mad month at work at the moment, cheerio for now pazzer. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]

Just had to update my avitar so there were 2 968 race cars with RS BARN on them.

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[Mark]

Had to change my board settings to view avatars again. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> Ok that's done, time to turn them off again. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[Eric_K]

Wow, pazzer your car will be transformed!



FWIW, on my car 450f/600r on Bilsteins was a good setup and still streetable. The 600f/650r setup seems like it will be biased toward understeer.

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[flash]

so far, i am pretty happy with the 400/600 setup on mine - a lot more compliant than i would have thought



i like hte avatars, and finally got mine done - but, i only see one car in pete's avatar - what am i doing wrong?

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[Eric_K]

but, i only see one car in pete's avatar - what am i doing wrong?

You need to cross your eyes more. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



hint: there is only one avatar in this topic (so far) which contains a car without rsbarn on the bumper cover.

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[flash]

hmmm - i think i get it now - i thought he meant that there would be two within his, but i now see it on your car



and yeah - no logo on mine - gonna have to wait until i build the race car - not gonna look like those kids in the rice grinders in my street car - that has actually been an issue with a few of my sponsors though - lol - go figure

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[RS Barn]

That's not my car.

It's a 968 Firehawk race car with my goodies

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[flash]

ah - dumped cache and refreshed - much better

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[orphanowner]

I'll jump in here...on my 944T GT3 car I ran a Kokeln rear suspension when I made the final upgrade to full coil overs, spherical bearings, wide body etc. with good result. Actually, Dwain built my "tube" custom as it was still in development at the time. Don't think I ever paid him for it...but that is another story.



For a dedicated racecar the improvement of setup ease alone was worth. Finally the camber could be set without having to fiddle with the toe. Plus, the trailing arm's pickup points were changed at my request to retain the built in geometry (anti squat, anti dive and roll center) for a lowered race car's ride height. Did I have some clearance problems with the fuel lines, yeah, did my $1000 custom stainless race exhaust have to be modified to clear it, yeah there too.



What I gained in the ability to make "at the track" setup changes that allowed us to dial in the car well beyond our current configuration.



Here are a few pic's of the unit. The custom spring plates were very easy to adjust at the track and really took the bother out of dialing in the suspension.

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[pazzer]

Many thanks orphanowner, some info there that i will have to inform pete about, regarding the exhaust, will he have to modify the system in some way for it to fit etc. regards pazzer

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[orphanowner]

[quote name='pazzer' post='28763' date='Dec 5 2006, 11:43 PM']Many thanks orphanowner, some info there that i will have to inform pete about, regarding the exhaust, will he have to modify the system in some way for it to fit etc. regards pazzer[/quote]



Maybe not. The fuel line clearance was a prototype issue, I think it was fixed on all the later units. My exhaust was unique and just too damn big. The stock exhaust or anything close would have cleared.

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[Jason Judd]

As far as Kokeln products go, I've been very happy with their stuff. I have a few odds and ends in my car as well.



As to the spring rates, I've gone to the Bilstien Cup suspension and use 650# front and 750# rear. I'm happy with those rates; but my car is bit lighter...around 2,600 lbs.



Jason

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[pazzer]

Well chaps finally got round to ordering my parts from Pete at rs barn yesterday, upto now its escort cup billies with track valving and 550f and 500r springs, kokeln rear delete kit, racers edge a-arms, racers edge camber plates, racers edge rear trailing arm bushes, mo30 arb, 21mm cup arb for rear, delrin bushes, rs barn headers and full system ready to order in January. hope you all have a great festive holiday and a prosperous new year, all the best pazzer. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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