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KLA strut brace warning!!! Ethics Question?
#41

eric - you need to relax and stop taking this personally - i'm not taking shots at you or your car - it reads like you're pissed



i guess i'll have to take a look at your hood the next time i see the car - the rubber blocks should not be making forceful contact at all - if they are, the hood is too low - you weren't making contact at the bar with the vanity cover, so i have a hard time imagining anything else that would explain the contact



as far off as your doors were, i wouldn't be surprised if the hood is setting too low - a milimeter is a mile on this design - my thought is that since there was clearly repair done on the car before, it's very likely that things just didn't get put back exactly right



as an example of how common this is, i'm still sorting out alignments of panels now (hood was one of them), and i had my car completely done in a very long painstaking process that SHOULD have been right - i still have to adjust my passenger door mechanism



as for the other past problem on your car, your wheel was so far pushed back, it was very hard to imagine that much castor adjustment - that's why i said we needed to get it up on a rack and measure everything to find out before i said definitively "it's the frame" - that was my suspicion at the time, based on the amount of misplacement, and the fact that you said the car had been in an accident before (though i think you said it was a minor one), but thankfully it turned out not to be the case - that's why i sent you the diagrams with the measurements, and why i went down to the shop myself to take a look (and screwed my splitter in the process) - i was trying to help, not bash your car



as for calling out lucent, i would seriously hesitate to say it was a "bad alignment" (a quick conclusion on your part) - i suppose it's possible he made a mistake, but it is extremely rare - he's really good at what he does - i know you said you didn't hit anything (that time) but it's typically likely that there was some driving condition that pushed things out of whack, but you never know - stuff does happen - in either case, everybody else has had great results with that shop



p.s. - my motor mounts are perfect (i have issues with the vanity cover as it is) - i have clearance problems at the hood too if everything is not exactly right (found this out the hard way)



relax - i'd still be happy to take a look and make the adjustments needed wherever they are on the car
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#42

WHOA THERE FELLAS!!!



Everyone needs to take a deep breatth and relax.

--------------GOOSEFRAAAAABBBAAAAA--------------

There isn't that better?



Now on to good news. I had a local dent repair guy come out to the house and work his magic... (insert Yoda's voice) truly magic he is! Take a look at the before and afters I promised. Happy Man, I can now drive my car without shame once again, holding my head high and thumbing my nose at Boxter snobs.





       



Now to find my rubbers.......eeerrrrrrrmmm





thanks for the photos Etnier! Is that French?



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#43

PDR truly is amazing! Congrats.
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#44

lol - no worries on this end - very calm here - not taking any shots or inserting any emotions - please don't read any into the response



nice to see the fix worked - good deal
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#45

amazing result !



curious what the cost for a job like that is ( provided you don't mind.. ) ?



I need to contact the local PDR squad for some minor dimples on my SUV, and keep putting it off...



btw, got the rubber hood thingamajiggies from Sunset for $ 10 ea.

they have them in stock.
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#46

DS968,

Sweet! $10. Not too bad, thanks. I'm headed out to the local junk yard today... Oopps, I mean Vehicle Recycling Corporation to scavenge..I mean peruse their stripped cars...I mean on site stock merchandise. Hope I can find some in rubber stops in good condition. (I like junk yards) kinda like a big garage sale for cars...mmmm....let's see.....I could make that into a ????

Paintless dent repair cost me $125 and it was worth every penny to sleep again. I truly was sleeping poorly because of the dents, they were the only dents/dings in the entire car!

Good luck with your dents, ask how long they have been doing PD removal. My guy has been doing it for 12 years! and it shows in his quality. If I look REALLY hard I can see where the dents were but I doubt anyone else can.

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#47

you're in Sacramento, right ? wonder if your PDRD ( paintless dent removal Dude)

would consider driving about 1 1/2 hours to work on my SUV ? <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> but he might want to add a bit to the $ 125 tag <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> Heck if it was the 968, I'd drive it there - any excuse for a road trip in this car ! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



I was also thinking about getting the rubber bumpers at a "VRC" but got too lazy..
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#48

[quote name='flash' date='Jun 30 2005, 07:41 AM']eric - you need to relax and stop taking this personally - i'm not taking shots at you or your car - it reads like you're pissed



i guess i'll have to take a look at your hood the next time i see the car - the rubber blocks should not be making forceful contact at all - if they are, the hood is too low - you weren't making contact at the bar with the vanity cover, so i have a hard time imagining anything else that would explain the contact



as far off as your doors were, i wouldn't be surprised if the hood is setting too low - a milimeter is a mile on this design - my thought is that since there was clearly repair done on the car before, it's very likely that things just didn't get put back exactly right



as an example of how common this is, i'm still sorting out alignments of panels now (hood was one of them), and i had my car completely done in a very long painstaking process that SHOULD have been right - i still have to adjust my passenger door mechanism



as for the other past problem on your car, your wheel was so far pushed back, it was very hard to imagine that much castor adjustment - that's why i said we needed to get it up on a rack and measure everything to find out before i said definitively "it's the frame" - that was my suspicion at the time, based on the amount of misplacement, and the fact that you said the car had been in an accident before (though i think you said it was a minor one), but thankfully it turned out not to be the case - that's why i sent you the diagrams with the measurements, and why i went down to the shop myself to take a look (and screwed my splitter in the process) - i was trying to help, not bash your car



as for calling out lucent, i would seriously hesitate to say it was a "bad alignment" (a quick conclusion on your part) - i suppose it's possible he made a mistake, but it is extremely rare - he's really good at what he does - i know you said you didn't hit anything (that time) but it's typically likely that there was some driving condition that pushed things out of whack, but you never know - stuff does happen - in either case, everybody else has had great results with that shop



p.s. - my motor mounts are perfect (i have issues with the vanity cover as it is) - i have clearance problems at the hood too if everything is not exactly right (found this out the hard way)



relax - i'd still be happy to take a look and make the adjustments needed wherever they are on the car

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Whatever Bobby, I'll say it again, my comments are for those that care to consider them, I don't wan't to argue, I've got more important things to be doing.
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#49

cool - sounded like you were upset - i wanted to be sure that you weren't reading anything into my comments that wasn't intended
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#50

Could someone with a 94 or later post pics of the rubber hood stops please, I don't know what I'm missing. Thanks Eitner, but your is different than mine. How many rubber stops do the later cars have on the sides? Is there one on the back near the windshield?

TIA

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#51

I have in my possession a Weltmeister Cambermeister strut brace which I got from Pelican Parts. I was told this would fit in the 968, but checking clearances, I am skeptical. I am thinking maybe I need to send it back. Has anyone successfully installed the Cambermeister strut brace on a 968?



It seems most of you are using the KLA strut brace, and I saw on a different thread that there is also a more expensive (and possibly better?) strut brace from Dynotech? That thread got a little heated, and I wouldn't want that.



I guess they don't make it any more, but I saw a 968 cab with the Racing Dynamics strut brace that looked well designed to avoid any hood nipples because it curves over the engine and down to the strut towers. I don't know how to post a pic, so here are three links to three pics.

http://www.968s.com/images/strutbrace/strut%203.jpg

http://www.968s.com/images/strutbrace/strut%202.jpg

http://www.968s.com/images/strutbrace/strut%204.jpg



This person got it used at a swap. I can't find this strut available at the Racing Dynamics web site. Either that, or it is this 944S2 bar that he made fit?

http://www.racdyn-usa.com/Merchant2/mercha...e=944.99.00.011



Anyway, just wondering what my choices are....



Scott
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#52

eric - didn't you have a racing dynamics brace?



living dust - from the photos, those are 2 different braces - the bend at the driver side is not there onthe 944 brace



as for the kla and the dynatech - both are very capable of the job - the dynatech may well address the clearance to vanity cover issues that some have experienced a bit better than the kla, but i've not yet seen it in person to tell - it's definitely prettier than the kla - functionally, it is a moot point, due to chassis construction and hardware sheer limits (the bar itself is not the weak link)



you get to decide if the clearance to the vanity cover is an issue for you (it seems to vary from car to car), and if the cost of the dynatech is justified



i have the kla, and after 15k miles on it, have no real complaints - it has, however, been a clearance problem for me, and at some point, i may well change it out for a new carbon fiber brace, if i can get the time to work it out, or if i can't, maybe the dynatech if i can get a look at it and find that it gives me more clearance
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#53

Most shops (all of them?) have insurance to cover damage like this on a customer car. Ask them politely if it is possible to have your dents removed at their Insurance Company's expense. Good luck, Bob Blackwell.
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#54

Thanks Bob Blackwell,

I did just that, in fact I took them a case of cold Pepsi cans to show I am an agreeable fellow. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> But to no avail.. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> Their response was, "It's not our fault" and they just might be right. Although I had not damaged my hood after a few weeks of having the bar installed, I did however install it incorrectly. I was gentley closing the hood and they dropped it. Heirgo the "Ethics" question in the header.



Thanks for caring....one and all. I hope this never happens to anyone again. (but I bet it does <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/unsure.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )



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#55

Yep I had the Racing Dynamics strut brace picked it up for $75 at the Dunkles Porsche Swap meet.



I had to cut some of the engine vanity cover in order to make it fit properly. If not the bar pushes down on the engine.
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#56

Well there is the coincidence. The links to the pictures in my earlier post are links to Eric's website! So we are looking at one and only one Racing Dynamics strut-bar.



So you had to cut part of the vanity plate? How much. I can't tell from the pictures. Is this one of the bars that Racing dynamics still sells?
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#57

Figured I'd tack on to this thread instead of starting a new one.... I just installed the KLA brace and have some pretty heavy contact at the engine trim piece. My motor mounts are in good shape and the bar is pressing on the engine before even starting the engine. I tried every means of shifting the engine trim piece around and no dice. What are my other options at this point? I sent an email to dynatech, but I thought I'd heard they weren't making them anymore. Racing dynamics doesn't appear to make one either. Anyone know of any others that might solve my clearance issues? I can't believe our options are so limited for such a simple and important component.



Thanks in advance,

Mitch
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#58

i have exactly the same problem



i do have an answer, though i have not implemented it to verify it works, and is potentially more involved than most would want to do



pete and i think the solution would be to add spacers (washers) between the frame and cross member, thereby lowering the engine - they would be the same 4mm spacers already used down there



as a temporary measure, get some o-rings and slide them on there



i am also working on chasing down a lead on getting a new brace made that won't have this problem at all - but this could be a while
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#59

Good idea Flash, lowering the engine will help with a lower center of gravity too. Keep us posted please, Bob.
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i have to get under there and look to see if it is the same crossmember that the suspension ties to - if it is, then suspension geometry may be affected
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