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Design 1 Racing Cabriolet Rear Speaker Enclosure
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we all know that the sound quality of any stereo in a cabriolet of any kind is never as good as a hardtop version. the wind and road noise are just too much.



i have spent thousands trying to improve the sound in my blue car, and have made huge strides. i finally got enough bottom end by making subwoofer enclosures that fit down into the seat wells and house an 8" driver. i got decent sound out of the front by installing a 6.5" driver in the map pocket area and abandoning the piss-poor OEM location of the 5.25".



but still, the rear speakers have always been a problem. getting sound out of those has been extremely difficult, no matter what i put there, and the fronts just aren't enough to really get a good sound field. i tried a few different 4x6 speakers, as well as a modified enclosed OEM 2 way setup. it was "ok" but not really pushing. the problem is that they are side-firing, and behind a thick fiberboard enclosure. it's like having the speakers in the car next to me.



so, i started thinking. this always gets me into trouble, but since the car is down having the engine built up, i figured "what the heck?" the problem could easily be resolved by making the speakers forward firing. that back wall looked perfect.



the seat backs are useless in a cab. the rear seat area is only big enough for very small children, and since seatbelt laws require a shoulder belt, and there is no way to install one that would be safe, that makes it only good for storage, which is exactly why US cars have storage boxes and not seats. this makes the need for upholstered seat backs moot. still, i like the idea of being able to drop them down for the "pass through" option, and besides, you have to be able to drop them for the boot cover installation anyway. this ruled out just making a panel.



the plan is:

to make a fiberglass enclosure that mimics the seat backs.

it will use the factory mounting points, and fit, latch, and operate just like the OEM seat backs.

it will be a direct fit, with NO MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED.

the unit will be black and hopefully textured something like the vinyl.

it will be a one piece though instead of two, to minimize rattles that would occur due to the hinges and latches and where they are.

it will be open back so the speakers can have room and leave the pass-through open as much as possible.

there will be extension cables provided so you can connect to the factory wiring

it will house a 6.5" woofer and be able to house tweeters as well

there will be room on the back to mount crossovers and such

there will be a rear removable cover to clean up the rear look as much as possible, and protect the things back there



i've already picked up a set of seat backs from which to make the mold, and will be meeting with my fiberglass guy early next week. i expect to have a prototype a few days later.



due to the hardware i have to have made and then encapsulated into the housing, i anticipate this unit retailing in the $200 neighborhood. i'll have more info on that soon though.



so, who might be interested in this?
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Flash, if I understand this correctly, it will leave the storage compartments untouched? If so, I'd probably be interested, though I have to see how much space is taken up in the rear, (trunk side of the folding panel), as I assume this will effect the size of the pass through when the backs are folded down.
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it will not modify the car in any way

it will flip down exactly like the OEM seat back, though both sides will go at once because it's a one-piece

it will not be any thicker than the OEM seat back, so it will not encroach into the pass-through any more than those do.

the only area that would take up any space is the location of the speaker itself, which would extend out of the enclosure. how much depends on your speaker choice.

it won't take up any more of the trunk than the OEM seat backs, except for the protrusion of the speaker itself, again which is up to your choice.
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if everything goes right, i'll have this up and running for the paso event, maybe even for detail day
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mechanical drawings for those of us who are challenged?

Brian
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other than the small bits, which will be encapsulated into the shell, there won't be any drawings



i'll have a prototype shortly though, and will post pics.
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Is this only for cabs?
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yup - i already worked out the fix for the hardtops, and it's posted here in this section
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#9

Will the open backs work? Would an enclosure make it sound better? I could live with no pass through to improve sound although I'd need some articulation of the rear to get the boot cover affixed.



I found a set of 4-ohm ported bookshelves - they look like hell but sound great. With the top down at 75 I can't hear anything but music. I'm deaf at the end of the ride mind you.



Could use 6.5 coaxes as well yes?
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open back will work fine, if you choose a free-air speaker. the JL audio is such a speaker, and works best in open air. if you use a speaker designed to be in an enclosure, it won't sound as good. there is no way to give the proper air volume though and still allow the drop-down function, so a free air speaker is the only way to go.



coaxials would actually be best for this application. again the JL has the ability to be such a speaker.
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OK I'm in like Flynn. As much as I enjoy my Rube Golberg solutions, they do look a bit, ah, amateurish. How about using a material that is easy to paint in case the interior is not black?
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did you see anything back from the prototype work? My current solution sounds great but looks a bit, er, um, well - terrible.
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not yet - i have to finish the drawing this weekend for the bracket that inserts into the enclosure to connect to the car. then they can finish the mold. if everything goes right, i should have a mold and prototype in about 10 days
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ok, now that i finished the Stage 2 SC stuff, i'm looking at this project again.



i have 2 major considerations that i have to deal with.



1. will there be enough people who want this to justify the mold? this will determine whether or not i make more than 1. i am guessing it will take at least 10 to cover costs, and i'm just not sure there will be that many people who want this.



2. will the unit be capable of separating the trunk sound from the cabin? the OEM seat backs do a pretty decent job of blocking sound from the trunk. the fiberglass enclosure may not be able to do that, which would reduce the effectiveness of the result. if ambient noise goes up, stereo volume would have to go up to compensate, making the cabin unpleasant. i'll have to do some testing to see what would be needed for the fiberglass structure to adequately block that sound. it's low frequency sound, so this will be a challenge.



so, you can see that there is a bit of work to do in order to determine the viability of this project. i'll update everyone as soon as i figure out if it will work or not.
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