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I thought I would take a minute to revisit the subject of chips and such. At risk of great personal peril, I felt it was long overdue that some of this stuff be explained for those who don't really understand how much of it works. I have no intention of getting into a discussion of which chip is best, or who is right or wrong, or even attempting to point anybody in any direction. There are just way too many variables, and what is the right chip for one guy, is not necessarily the right one for the next.



Chips have long been a discussion for car enthusiasts. The topic of tuning for power dates back to the days of hot rods and big holleys. With the onset of computer tuning, it has gotten even more common to hear people talking about this. It is fascinating stuff, and done right can really wake a car up and provide performance that the factory left on the table. Done wrong it can really make mess of things. The consumer needs to do their homework on the product, the company, the process, and the results, before deciding to proceed. But that's no different than buying a microwave oven.



Basically a chip does 2 things. It tells the computer what to do to the fuel mixture and the ignition timing. It does this based on readings taken from a number of sensors in the car (such as coolant temp, oil temp, airflow from the MAF, throttle position, O2 level, and rpm). The computer is constantly taking measurements, nowadays many times a second, and making continual adjustments.



Fuel mixture has always been a way to gain more power. Timing advance is too. Each can be wonderful things, if used judiciously. Abused they can cause premature wear failure of some components, and can even kill an engine. This is not something to be experimented with without the proper training, skills and tools.



Feeling fuelish?

In the old days with carburetors and such, you would change jets and fatten up your mixture to the mid to upper 12s. This would make the most power. The down sides were a loss of fuel economy, (but with gas at 69 cents a gallon, who cared?) and some decrease in engine life due to ring and bearing wear from the extra fuel in the oil.



But things have changed. The average car now runs at 14.7:1 most of the time. This provides for the best fuel economy and cleanest running condition.



Cars with Catalytic Converters cannot run as rich as the cars of yesteryear. Doing so will foul O2 sensors and also prematurely cause the Converter to fail. Also, it increases CO emissions, which will cause it to fail inspections, and is really bad for the environment. One of the reasons that engines last so long now is that they run leaner. There is less fuel in the oil, and so there is less breakdown of the lubrication.



Lamda sensors (O2 sensors) are delicate devices, and are easily upset. A rich or lean mixture will cause them to fail.



A lambda sensor's normal life span is 30,000 to 50,000 miles, but the sensor may fail prematurely if it becomes clogged with carbon, or is contaminated by lead from leaded petrol or silicone from an antifreeze leak or from silicone sealer. As the sensor ages, it becomes sluggish. Eventually it produces an unchanging signal or no signal at all. When this happens, the Check Engine Light may come on, and the engine may experience drivability problems caused by an overly rich fuel condition. Poor fuel economy, elevated CO and HC emissions, poor idle, and/or hesitation during acceleration are typical complaints.



If the lambda sensor continually reads high (rich), it will cause the engine computer to lean out the fuel mixture in an attempt to compensate for the rich reading. This can cause lean misfire, hesitation, stumbling, poor idle and high hydrocarbon emissions (from misfiring).



If the lambda sensor continually reads low (lean), it will cause the engine computer to enrich the fuel mixture. Injector pulse width will increase causing fuel consumption and carbon monoxide emissions to go up. Constant rich fuel mixture can also cause the catalytic converter to overheat and it may be damaged.



If the lambda sensor's output is sluggish and does not change (low cross counts & long transition times), the engine computer will not be able to maintain a properly balanced fuel mixture. The engine may run too rich or too lean, depending on the operating conditions. This, in turn, may cause drivability problems such as misfiring, surging, poor idle, and high emissions.



If a heated sensor has a faulty heating circuit or element, the sensor can cool off at idle causing the system to go into open loop. This usually results in a fixed, rich fuel mixture that will increase emissions.



In summary, while you can gain more power by fattening things up, you do so at the peril of lessening engine life. A little isn't a bad thing, but too much and you cross a line that you may not want to cross. A rule of thumb is that on a normally aspirated street car with a Catalytic Converter you do not want to dip below about 13.5:1 for any kind of sustained period (more than a few seconds). On a race car you can get down into the 12s for a bit without worrying so much, because you don't have a Catalytic Converter, and you will likely be tearing the motor down every year anyway. On a boosted car, more fuel will need to be added to keep temperatures down, and prevent detonation, but only on boost, and really only at higher rpms.



Timing is everything

Ignition advance is a much trickier subject. A little advance is a good thing. A little more can be even better. Too much and you can expect to have lots of little metal bits to take to the recycler.



Today's engine management systems are much more sophisticated than the ones many of us grew up with. We used to mange ignition timing with a centrifugal distributor that had weights and springs to provide controlled advance curves. As the engine revved higher, the distributor spun faster, and the springs would stretch, allowing the timing to be advanced. The weights helped control the springs.



Today we have computers controlling variable valve timing, variable intake runner lengths, and all sorts of maps to deal with just about every situation. This has opened up a whole new world for tuners. However, it has brought with it a whole new set of problems.



Determining optimal ignition timing is a very complicated combination factors. It takes a lot of time to see how things react, and to determine what effects it has on things like combustion temperatures. The more advance you add, the more heat is generated, due to the earlier combustion. Things may seem just fine on a nice cold winter day, but this can easily result in burning things out if other factors come into play (like a hot day). It's not necessarily just about maximum power. It takes a lot of testing under a wide range of conditions to tune the timing maps for the intended use. The timing curves you would set for a race car would likely create a lot of problems in street use.





What does this all mean to the guy who just wants to buy a chip?

Auto manufacturers spends countless hundreds of thousands of dollars tuning just one car. The conditions are carefully controlled and monitored, and each and every scenario is anticipated. Aftermarket tuners can't do that. Often they don't even bother to tune for part throttle conditions, and only tune full throttle. It is extremely rare that they bother to work on cold start, hot start, or extended climate conditions. They don't generally consider different fuels, or even do any oil or metals testing to see what their tuning has done. This is not to say they are evil, or even irresponsible. It is a very real limitation to what they can do, given time and resource available, and the justifiability of the expense due to the market. Most of these vendors are pretty responsible. Obviously you need to be wary of the internet vendors, but generally the companies making chips in bulk have done enough testing to at least determine that within a nominal range of conditions that their products are predictable.





Really it all comes down to compromise. As with anything, tuning for power is a tradeoff, varying in degree based on how much you want. It's not just limited to chips. If you only drive a couple thousand miles a year, it probably doesn't matter much what you do. If you don't care about fuel economy, it helps open things up. If you don't have to undergo emissions testing, you have less to worry about there too (apart from the obvious environmental karma). If you have a daily driver, and expect to maintain the lifespan of the engine, you need to be a bit more conservative in your choices. A chip for a race car can ruin a street engine. A chip for a street car will not do as well on the track.



In making your choice, ask questions. Find out what the intended use is. Be specific in describing what you want to do. Find out what the vendor did to provide what you want, given how you would use the car. There are some good vendors out there, and some not so good. There are countless discussions, with widely varying opinions, and sorting through that can be daunting, but in the end, it will all come down to you asking questions, and a bit of faith.



Always remember though, never modify an engine in poor condition.









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Thanks Flash, that was not only well written but easily understandable for we neophytes! At the risk of overstepping, would you explain the differences in chips?
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lol - thanks for the compliment - i have had a lot of conversations with people over the years about chips, and i just thought it was time to lay out the basics - there is a ton more information out there, and i highly encourage people to read whatever they can, and then call the manufacturers and ask questions - choosing the right one for you depends on knowing what you want, and what the chip does, so you can decide how much you want to compromise



as for the differences, sorry - that is exactly the conversation i did not want to have - besides the obvious arguments that would result, i don't want to get into a situation where i am disclosing a company's proprietary information
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Thanks. For info purposes, do companies disclose proprietary info to you? Again not to overstep, but for discussion purposes your a knowledgeable fellow and your opinion is just that. I did not mean to entice you into providing a platform for arguments! I was just asking the opinion of someone more knowledgeable than I. Course that's just about everyone. Lol
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sometimes - i have had a few of the manufacturers tell me what they did - all of the ones in the chip shootout told me how the chip changed things - i did have to agree not to disclose the specifics - of the more known vendors, some are a bit leaner, some run a bit richer, some have more advance than others - none of them have been shown to cause undue damage, and it is way too early to know how much life expectancy has been lost



the arguments i didn't want to get into were those with any company that wanted to, for example, defend their tuning philosophy - one company might think that timing advance was the way to get power, and another that it was fuel, and yet another might think that a balance was the best compromise - i didn't want to get into that kind of conversation - there has been enough of that already, and nobody is right or wrong - it's all subjective anyway, which is what led me to the shootout test to begin with, as i wanted data and not conjecture and opinion



in the end, you have to take with a grain of salt anything any company says about their chip or any other, and really you have to make the decision for yourself - just keep in mind that with more power you get more risk and less life - that's just basic physics - chips are no exception - the more fuel and the more advance added, the more power you get and the less life - how much you want to compromise is entirely up to you - i'm not trying to paint a picture of doom and gloom - i have not yet heard of anybody harming their car with any major company chip - but then, they are all in the same ballpark of power, so it stands to reason they would all have similar results and expectations - step outside that range, and you can probably expect different results, both good and bad



if you don't feel that you have the ability or desire to try to assess the situation, and determine what best fits your needs, then i recommend a more conservative approach in choice
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Thanks again. Max at RS Barn was pretty informative in answering my questions. Course I am tying to learn all the questions I might ask as a decision is made.

Bob
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lol - just when you think you have learned all there is to learn, you learn something new about the way these cars tune



i knew there was a provision for cat-delete cars (as opposed to ROW), and programming for it - there weren't many of them, but there were a few - basically there is a resistor inserted into the harness and it tells the DME to ignore the O2 input points because there is no sensor or cat in a cat delete car - all that i already knew - it was a carry-over from previous models



what i learned yesterday at the lab was what running happens to a cat if you have a chip too rich or too lean, and what happens if you disable the inputs from the O2 sensor - we didn't hurt this car, but i was able to see the changes in the readings - the stories i heard there about other tuners and what they did though was scary - complete melt down of cats - running too rich is a common thing apparently, and while it made power on the dyno, it ruined the cat and the cars would fail tests and also end up plugging up - in my case i saw it was a little lean in one spot, but that has its own issues too



as it turns out, the 5 gas analyzer is essential to tuning the car if you are going to run a cat - determining what is going on exactly where and when cannot be done without one



so, you have to delete the cat when you start tuning up for big power, because it won't be worth anything after very long and will just clog up - that will set you back a cool $1300 - but that's the difference between tuning for street and tuning for track anyway, so i don't think anybody is going to run into that problem



all of the chips currently out there seem to be ok on the analyzer, at least based on the information provided by smog tests, though i haven't had a chance to really look at each one - this is likely why the Autothority chips are so expensive though - they are the only ones i know of that carry a CARB certification, and going through this process now, i can tell you it is expensive and time consuming - they also sit a few spots down in the rankings of power though - no free ride



if i get some time, i'll do some 5 gas testing of the chips i have and see which one does what, so people can know what to expect in cat life
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What's the thoughts on putting the RSbarn stage 1 chip into a standard 968 tip (with airbox mod and K&N) that's had its cat removed?
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