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SCCA ITR class
#1

Wanted to see if any you guys running in the ITR class with a 968 can help me with the rules regarding brakes that are allowed. When I pull the rules regarding a 968 they state that the largest front rotor allowed is a 298 mm, which would not allow a 968 to run the m030 option. The m030 option was available in the US as a option, should they / are they allowed? Is this an over site in the rules? I believe that I have heard a few guys posting that they are running this class with the m030 brake setup.

From SCCA ITR
Porsche 944S2
(89-91)
4 Cyl
DOHC
104.0 x 88.0
2990
(I) 37.0
(E) 33.0
10.9 94.5 16 3.18, 2.00, 1.44,
0.91, 0.78
(F) 298
Vented Disc
® 299
Vented Disc
2810
Porsche 968
(93-97)
4 Cyl
DOHC
104.0 x 88.0
2990
(I) 37.0
(E) 33.0
10.9 94.5 16 3.50, 2.06, 1.40,
1.03, 0.83, 0.78
(F) 298
Vented Disc
® 299
Vented Disc
3055
Porsche

Thanks,
Joel

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#2

Hi Joel,

Great question and one I asked several times before I built my 968 ITR race car. The GCR lists the stock brake rotor size in the Improved Touring Category Specifications. But as long as the car came with a OEM upgrade that was not installed by the dealer, the upgrade can be included. Typically these are brake and suspension modifications. More rarely exaust or intake modifications. The M030 upgrade is fully recognized and approved as a OEM upgrade that came with the car and is referenced in the shop manual. The upgrade must have been available in the USA from the manufacturer, no european only upgrades permitted. (A problem if I want to add a turbo and go Super Touring racing. Club officials have told me it's OK but I wouldn't want to get protested and lose - these racers love to become experts on rules lawyering.)

Page 355 of the GCR lists, "Parts or assemblies which the
manufacturer lists in factory service manuals or parts guides for a particular
model which supersede or replace original parts or assemblies are
permitted. Documentation of the superseding parts or assemblies must be
supplied to the Club Racing Department and the appropriate part numbers
listed on that particular model’s specification line."

So for example, many folks pull the torque tubes and just run coilovers. No can do with the 968. It came from the factory with both so you must run both. The 944 S2 is out of luck and must run just the torque tube and shocks. No coilover springs.

I have not taken the time to request that the Club Racing Board (CRB) add the M030 to the spec line in the ITCS but for the Porsche models that have an M030 option, it is recognized as a OEM upgrade and is referenced in the shop manuals. Make sure you have a soft copy of the shop manual with you at the track at a minimum, better yet a hard copy. I had Kinkos print out a manual for me.

I tried to lawyer up on the 3055 weight and got nothing but, "sure, you are winning and want less weight?" The on track performance is not supposed to be taken into account per the rules as there is a power to weight guideline with adders and detractors for front wheel drive or excellent torque. This gets into the area where the drivers aren't really sure how the CRB classes the cars. The 'Formula' was developed by the ITAC - Improved Touring Advisory Committee several years ago. All the cars that were newly submitted for classification like the 968 were run through "the forumula" and this left some of the old cars misclassed - some would have benefitted or suffered from being run through the formula but since they were established none were reclassed. I think the estimated power gain for the 968 in ITR trim was a bit overstated with folks thinking that 225 hp to the wheels was achievable. Not unless you want to make Pete a rich man. We are out of options for more power other than putting a full Motec ECU system in the car which I think would cost $10K for parts and more for tuning. And that might only give 5 hp more to what I have. Really study up on the rules to make sure you build a legal car.

I raced at NHIS this spring and won the race only to be penalized for missing the plastic insert that goes where the intake air enters the nose of the car. This made little or no difference to performance but cost me a win. This is one of the reasons I race SCCA - it is the most stringent on classifications and enforement of the rules. Unfortunately we are seeing more ITR cars show up with brand new full on race engines and unlike down south, people are reluctant to protest and I would be in that category. I'm not interested in making enemies. Down in the South Atlantic regions, folks get very aggresive with bending rules and protesting with more frequency than in the North Atlantic regions.

Be certain that if you are building the car, have your builder be very familiar with the rules so you don't have a costly and obvious non-compliance issue.

I hope you build one! Mine has met and exceeded my expectations. Now I just need to fingure out what to do about the changing landscape in my class, as in - holy crap these guys are pouring money into motors that scream like jet engines!
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Ay Carumba! LOL... the above is why I race NASA GTS.... A very complex and scientific formula rules it all: race-end weight (with driver and gear) divided by RWHP (w/some adjustments if torque>HP). Throw in a few factors for AWD cars and the ability to use true non-DOT slicks vs DOT race tires, and you have the rules. A whole 2-3 pages worth of them.

PLUS... Ben spends more time buffing out race donuts from his doors than racing! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] After watching Ben's race at NJMP I found myself having to continually explain: "no baby, this is not demolition derby", "no baby, it was just a racing incident and it really was not Ben's fault", and: "no baby, just like mine, it looked worse than what it was...." [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Oh man - I am laughing good! It is true, SCCA has more contact by far than any other club. The General Competition rule book is something like 500 pages long :-)

There is a simple logic to the NASA way of setting the car classifications - power to weight that can be tested at the track with a portable dyno and the scales. The nice thing about that methodology is the battle of the wallet diminishes. Plus, a protest is a simple thing, run the dyno. At SCCA it's a total motor teardown that requires posting a bond...

I let my NASA license lapse - never did a NASA event. I should get out to one of those events.

But I still believe the SCCA has the most competitive racing - most cars in class. But NASA is right on its heels - heck, NASA was the first club to WebCast it's national championship - SCCA copied that this year.

PS - I forgot about the full slicks :-)
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Ben,
Thanks for the reply and info. I do find it somewhat odd that there are a few S2's that are running in this class and they do not use the m030 option. Based on the cost of motec ect... that upgrade seems like a great bang for the buck.


Pablo,
Thanks for the laugh. I thinks thats why most guys dont take their brides to the track and hide their cars at a shop across town.

Cheers,
Joel
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lol - pablo, that cracked me up

this is exactly what got me out of racing though - rules - i understand wanting to keep everybody on an even playing field, but the rules often get in the way of the tuning part of racing, and frequently make no sense - i hated being hindered by a rule, knowing i could go faster if it wasn't there, but also knowing that i could not go up a class and not be in the way of traffic

that's exactly why, if and when i put together the track car, i will run it in an unlimited class, where anything goes - these cars are just too big and heavy for me to enjoy racing them in any class that currently exists (besides, i want a speedster setup) - so, for me, it's that or i will just rent out the track and go play by myself (or with some friends) - if you think about it, renting track time for the day is often cheaper than racing, with no nonsense to contend with in the process

good luck with the rules committees - they are generally a disgruntled bunch of underfunded very average drivers who just enjoy ruining somebody else's fun by keeping them in the same box as them

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