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#41

I like to drive fast but dont, I use my cruse when possible and leave lots room between me and everybody.
I rode a Yamaha R1 in Cali and brought it with me to TX but didn't drive it much due to drivers here.

That motorcycle taught me more about safe driving than any class I took. I trust nobody on the road! I assume that somebody will pull out in front of me, run a light, merge onto freeway too slow, change lanes with out signaling (or looking) or slam on brakes for no apparent reason. I drive at any speed I want, within reason but leave the buffer zone that lets me have time to react and if possible a hole to use for an escape route.

They drivers who are not aware of whats around them are the most dangerous, they drive in this bubble as if nobody else in around them.

Another personal favorite is the guy who has the brake tied to the turn signal! We have turn lane here and people will slow down first then get into the turn lane!
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#42

i completely agree - riding a bike does wonders for your ability to see the things around you

the ones that make me nuts are the ones who are constantly on and off - gas brake gas brake - nitwit! give yourself a bit more room and then just let off the gas - i'm guessing they two foot - i have no other explanation for not being able to pace the car in front of them with just the accelerator
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#43

Even worse is a two footer, who rides the brakes at 60 mph.
Would love to be this guys mechanic.
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#44

lol - yeah - that's the guy
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#45

What's weird is I've seen a lot more of the two footed drivers. Brakes on while speeding up?$@#$ Typically, they're the older drivers because they probably think they can't move their foot to the brake quick enough but I've seen more and more parents and younger drivers with brake lights on while driving a constant speed or speeding up.
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#46

Hey, you guys lay of my grand mother already, She's off the road now! LOL
She drove that way as long as I can remember, scared the hell out of me.

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<!--quoteo(post=73381:date=Jun 6 2009, 05:46 PM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Jun 6 2009, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i think there is room for those who want to drive fast and those who don't - speed doesn't kill - poor driving skill and inattention does

i don't believe in arbitrary speed limits, but i am still a proponent of graduated licenses with inherent speed limits, and dedicated lanes for those who have the better license - i also think it should cost a LOT of money to be allowed to drive and we should have much more and tighter minimum requirements to allow someone to drive - peripheral vision and reflex tests should be an absolute minimum

having better and more qualified drivers on the road would alleviate a lot of the problems we have

but heck, i think we should be allowed to carry firearms and settle things out in the street too<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


+1 - only edit I'd make is "speed doesn't kill...differential speed kills." sbdrivingdotcom makes valid arguments about stopping distance and reaction times at higher speeds, but we're talking about flow of traffic and driving appropriate for the type of road you're on at the time. There are too many people driving too slow, making unsafe lane changes, not knowing how to merge, not using signals, and so on. Bottom line is, we all must take steps to make sure we're safe out there and above all, pay attention. Although you may not be correct, better to be alive.

- Darryl

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<!--quoteo(post=73416:date=Jun 6 2009, 08:32 PM:name=sbdrivingdotcom)-->QUOTE (sbdrivingdotcom @ Jun 6 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dan, running a red light is illegal and dangerous and it is understandable why you would get upset. However, if you always scan intersections before you get to them, you can limit your risk of being hit by a red light driver. Anger doesn't solve the problem and I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yup I always do that, in addition to waiting about two seconds to take off when the light turns green at intersections where I don't have good vantage point of what may be barreling trough at 90mph from the cross street.. also realize anger does not solve anything, but you can't control your emotions, you can only control actions so that's propably I haven't strangled any of these punks ( yet ) [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]


Driving in a safe, aware, and courteous to others manner is the key to all of this, IMO, even when you're at far above the posted speed limit. The fact that someone may be violating a "law" by driving faster than the limit is not relevant; I'm willing to bet everyone here breaks at least a dozen if not more vehicle code "laws" every single hour they're in a car, if you want to be technical about it. But I recognize there are some laws which are more important than others because of true risk associated with them and some designed solely to get revenue for the municipality
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scanning did not help me a year ago christmas eve with my dad in the passenger seat - i was stopped at a red light in a left hand turn lane - the road had a slight curve, but i could still see up the road on the other side about 150ft - my light changed green - all clear, so i proceeded - or so i thought - before i could get halfway across the intersection an old mad in a buick came out from behind the line of cars in the stopped left hand lane that was blocking my view of him - he ran the red at easily about 50 (the speed limit there where most people drive 60) and creamed me - moved the car a good 20 feet

thankfully i was in the denali - pretty much wiped out the front end though - had i have been in the porsche, i would have gotten very messed up, and my dad would probably be dead

if nothing else, red light cameras everywhere might make people more aware of them and stop

what does this have to do with the original point? nothing other than to say that drivers are often not aware of anything but themselves - this is something i would like to do something about - taking away distractions like cell phones, even for passengers, would help - even somebody else's conversation is distracting - we need to focus on our driving, pay attention to what is around us, and not get wound up when somebody does something stupid that might cause us to miss something else while we are fuming about them
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#50

I bet most of us chiming in on how safe we drive are over 35. I also bet that many of us when we were under that age broke many of these rules ourselves and had our fare share of accidents and or close calls. I'm much calmer behind the wheel now then when I was 25. I still love speed and often drive over the posted speed limit. But I don't do all the lane changing and absolutely no tail gating, clear signs of a bad driver in my book.

Everyone doesn't grow out of their bad driving habits but some do. The way I see it, getting a license in teh US is far to easy and the same can be said about keeping a license. Most judges are quick to drop and reduce points even when a driver is a repeat offender. Couple that with all the stupid things they've done before they got caught and your looking at someone that shouldn't be on the road. Until that changes, drive defensively! What else can you do?
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#51

absolutely - i'm certainly no exception - i am lucky to be alive and not to have killed anybody else - if only there were some way to pass that experience along before somebody else has to learn the hard way
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#52

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->SBDrv: What gets me is all the anger exhibited when someone doesn't drive how you want them to. I expect other drivers to make mistakes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
With all due respect I think you missed the point. The points made in this rant have more to do with those that are purposely rude or are so self-centered that they don't consider the affect they have on other drivers.
Of course everyone has the right to drive 64mph in the fast lane when everyone else is doing 70-75, [which is typical on the 101 every morning]. I'm the type if the traffic around me is going that much faster I'll move the ph*ck over - I'm not going to imped others regardless of speed. The bottom-line is I'd just like to see more common sense and common courtesy.

What I find interesting is how the German Autoban has worked fine for many years and yet we'll never have a highway in the US that allows a high speed left lane. I can only speculate that drivers in Germany have more respect for speed and each other. Sadly US drivers are too careless.
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<!--quoteo(post=73463:date=Jun 7 2009, 10:56 PM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Jun 7 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->if only there were some way to pass that experience along before somebody else has to learn the hard way<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Its called shrewdness. Problem is, few teenagers exhibit it. You can tell them, but until they experience it for themselves they dont get it.


<!--quoteo(post=73464:date=Jun 7 2009, 11:02 PM:name=S_Cal968)-->QUOTE (S_Cal968 @ Jun 7 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The points made in this rant have more to do with those that are purposely rude or are so self-centered that they don't consider the affect they have on other drivers. The bottom-line is I'd just like to see more common sense and common courtesy.

What I find interesting is how the German Autoban has worked fine for many years and yet we'll never have a highway in the US that allows a high speed left lane. I can only speculate that drivers in Germany have more respect for speed and each other. Sadly US drivers are too careless.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

+1

Ive made that Autobahn comment myself in the past. It also lends to the point that its too easy to get a license in the US. I heard that in Germany you have to know basic first aid, control the car at 100 MPH, and exhibit controlled braking in an emergency situation. But I cant back any of that up, A friend and I were talking and thats what he told me. Isn't Kunz from Germany? I wanna know if its true.
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I have to cover the state of Florida for business and I drive all of it. We have it all here. The blue hair population is bad enough but we have the added enjoyment of the annual "Snowbird" invasion. When on the Interstate, if your in the left lane and you are approaching a Buick LeSabre or a Crown Vic, Marquiss, Town Car..............don't even bother running up on them..........they are not moving over. Just go around them on the right. We have all of the above aggresive drivers, who do all of the above s***ty things to people trying to merge or get off the highway.................we just have that extra sprinkling of "old age stubborn" to go along with things. I've been riding motorcycles for over 30 years and ride a HD Electra Glide. So I know a bit about riding defensively and giving EVERY CAR respect and room on the highway. About a month ago, I was on I-4 heading to Orlando. I'm going about 80 (Florida's unposted speed limit) and come up on a guy on an old Gold Wing with reflective tape on his helmet, the whole safety thing going on.......in the left lane going about 74. I stayed about 20 yards behind him for about 2 minutes giving him plenty of time to see me and move over. He didn't. So I pulled on around him about 85 mph in the middle lane. Flew by and made my move to go back in the left lane when I notice he is accelerating.......I'm thinking is this guy nuts or what............I finish the pass which should have been a non-event but this guy starts flashing brights as if to tell me I should have seen him. Keep in mind now we are going about 85, 10 MPH faster than he was cruising at. He flies around me in the right lane, pulls back in front of me in the left and hits his brakes. Now that I know I have an idiot in front of me, I pull into the center lane to get away from this nitwit........and he pulls in front of me again as if to block my progression, Brilliant huh? This went on for a while...........so I have to decide 1) Let it continue until one of us is getting off and risk an accident. 2) Follow him until he gets off and then beat his ass silly for being an A-Hole, 3) Call the FHP and report the incident and his plate. I did #3. Its one thing to express your displeasure with another driver by honking your horn , but to go out of your way to be aggressive on a bike with a car............is stupidity and doesn't do any of us in the biking community any good either. One thing I learned quickly in Florida, moving here from Ohio and South Carolina............with the gang element and the ease of carrying a gun (with conceled weapon permit), Road Rage is nothing to mess with. In a car or especially on a bike. I can't help but think that one day, the nit-wit on the Gold Wing will be dead.
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<!--quoteo(post=73481:date=Jun 8 2009, 06:46 AM:name=wiseman)-->QUOTE (wiseman @ Jun 8 2009, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I finish the pass which should have been a non-event but this guy starts flashing brights as if to tell me I should have seen him. Keep in mind now we are going about 85, 10 MPH faster than he was cruising at. He flies around me in the right lane, pulls back in front of me in the left and hits his brakes. Now that I know I have an idiot in front of me,

One thing I learned quickly in Florida, moving here from Ohio and South Carolina............with the gang element and the ease of carrying a gun (with conceled weapon permit), Road Rage is nothing to mess with.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

OK were back on topic and I knew I wasn't the only one upset about the selfishness seen on the road. Least I was hoping I wasnt.

Of all the places I've driven I have found Florida to be the worse. The non posted 80 speed limit is soo true. As an out of towner I was at first pleased as I like to drive fast, then quickly found it frustrating as <b>ALL </b>lanes were around that 85 -90 speed. doesnt work when your trying not to miss your exit. Things started feeling really dangerous when an idiot starts tailgateing me and get this, I'm in the Right lane and he had room to go left and pass me! As we arrived at our friends house I told them about the <b><i>many </i></b>instances Ive had once we crossed from GA into Fl and they told me to never confront the idiot driver. They have had a gun pointed at their family twice and was once cursed out and challenged to get out of the car. They drove away and were followed, being closely tailgated by this Arse. They called the police on their cell who met up with them down the road and after hearing both sides, the jerk got a warning.

FL and CA- You guys got your hands full.
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OK I did not read all of the posts here but I'd like to recommend anger management for some of you. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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i'd like to recommend cabernet
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<!--quoteo(post=73490:date=Jun 8 2009, 08:14 AM:name=Mark)-->QUOTE (Mark @ Jun 8 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->OK I did not read all of the posts here but I'd like to recommend anger management for some of you. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


yeah, I tried those courses, but those kumbaya teachers just piss me off ! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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<!--quoteo(post=73490:date=Jun 8 2009, 08:14 AM:name=Mark)-->QUOTE (Mark @ Jun 8 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->OK I did not read all of the posts here but I'd like to recommend anger management for some of you. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

See machine gun pic on page one and stay the $*&% outta my way!
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S Cal 968: I did not miss the point. Read the original post by rhudeboy and you will understand what I am talking about.

The road is no place to prove machismo, show others that they have made a mistake, put someone in his/her place or otherwise. Reacting aggressively in many of the ways posted in this thread escalates the issue and does not educate the other driver nor improve driving in our community, state or country.

What will make all of us better people and drivers is patience. Expect others to make mistakes or do things purposely, avoid them and go on your way. You never know when another driver will have a gun and choose to act on their anger with finality.

There are statistics out there from several state departments of motor vehicles that aggressive driving is as dangerous as drunken driving.

Think about this:

If someone were to cut in front of you in line at the grocery store, post office or airport, would you push past them because you are bigger? Would you shout an obscenity at them? Would you make a gesture to them? Unlikely. Most of us would politely ask them to move to the back of the line, or ignore the behavior. Why then do some of us act differently in our vehicles? It's the illusion of privacy and security that our vehicles offer. It doesn't make the aggressive reactions on the road justified or safe.

Cutting another person off on the road and some of the behavior described in this thread are aggressive reactions to other drivers' mistakes or poor driving habits. In nearly all road rage incidents, escalation of the events began with one driver becoming upset or angry about another driver's mistake or habit. This violence is senseless, unnecessary and illegal.

My comment was intended to educate others about the dangers of speed and aggressive driving, the legality of specific driving habits in CA and to encourage everyone to let calmer heads prevail. We all deserve the next opportunity to take to the road, hit the autocross, spend time with loved ones, etc. Too many people, my mother included, have lost their lives on our roadways and all I am encouraging us to do is use common sense about following distances, speed and scanning intersections while simultaneously expecting others to make mistakes (eg. not recognizing our presence, driving slowly in the fast lane, running red lights, etc.) and remaining calm about those mistakes.

True, we have all made these mistakes in the past but I am not being a hypocrite. I am actively involved in becoming a better partner on the road and a safer driver. I encourage everyone else to do so as well. I try to refrain from gesturing to other drivers, honking when slowing my car will suffice, passing others aggressively on the right (though this is legal in CA as long as there are two lanes and you do not drive off the paved part of the road or the white line), tailgating, cutting another driver off, etc. By driving courteously, it is my hope that others will too and this type of driving will proliferate (pay it forward). When I am passed aggressively and gestured at, I simply smile and continue driving. I giver others plenty of space when they signal and I stop for pedestrians waiting at crosswalks. Civility and friendliness can go a long way toward improving the driving environment. I hope we can all find it in us to pick a poor driving habit or reaction of ours and try to change it. Try to react in a friendly way when someone makes a mistake. Just the other day I was cut off, and when I stopped next to the other driver I looked over casually to see them apologize and I just said that it was ok, no worries. This is the type of place I want to drive, not the aggressive, me first roads that exist everywhere.

This is not meant to come from a "holier than thou" standpoint. This is just a topic that strikes a chord with me based on my past and one that I truly hope will change.
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