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Researching 968's
#1

Hello.

     I am a long time owner of a 1974 Lotus Europa. I am thinking of moving to a more comfortable car as I have hit 73y.o. My history with Porsche's goes back to the late 1950's. A neighbor, in Northern NJ, and family friend always had a 356, mostly coupes, but at one time, a Convertible D. During high school, my summer job 1962-64 was working in an office at Yankee Stadium (long story). I used to sometimes get a ride into New York in his 356 and I first became a car nut because of the feeling going around tight, circular off ramps from the George Washington Bridge in that car. In 1972, I was going to be stationed in Rota, Spain in the US  Navy. I looked into buying a car for pick up in Europe, and considered the 914, but wound up getting a Lotus Europa. I do not know why I did not consider the 914-6, but I assume it may have been price, or perhaps ignorance. It certainly was a major mistake on my part. My cousin has a 914-6 that he has owned from new, smart and lucky guy. I drove the Europa 10k miles in Europe before bringing my it home to US. I sold it in 1985, when we moved to Vermont with two kids under 2. In about 1999, after surgery and radiation for prostate cancer, I bought another, only 181 serial numbers away from my first one.

     One more Porsche connection, in the late 1970's, my former college roommate and I bought a 1956 356 Cabriolet, planning to restore it. It was "drive able" but needed a major fix up. But before we got too far into that project, we each got married, and bought houses, and you know how that goes.

     So, as I said, I'm looking for something fun, rare and more comfortable. The 968 is certainly near the top of the list. In my research, I find that Boxters seem quite undervalued, so something else to look into. I would welcome any and all comments from this (slightly prejudiced Wink) group.

Best wishes,

John

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#2

Welcome,

 

Enjoy the site.

 

Regards,

 

Jay

 

P.S. - You can see by this picture how we come down on the 968 vs. 986 issue.

 

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#3

Welcome.

 

You seem like someone who has a taste for the unusual in cars, which would, in my opinion, categorically eliminate the Boxster.

 

I am also a fan of the Europa, and came dangerously close to buying one years back that had a 2.0 Gordini swap. It was a dangerous vehicle, shockingly fast, uncomfortable, and completely unforgiving. The fact that I am writing this should tell you that I opted for a more sedate ride.

 

Good luck in your search. Just like the Europa eliminated itself due to the sheer terror factor, the 968 sold itself to me during the test drive. It took me quite a while to find the one I wanted, but patience and persistence eventually paid off and my 92 has been a part of the family for years. 

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#4

SilverCab,

Just looking at the side by side rear views of the two cars, I know the Boxster is not for me. The 968 gives the impression of a significantly more comfortable toy for my 73 year old body, probably suffering the after effects of playing rugby for 10 years (only stopped when I herniated a disc).

 

MLC968,

You are absolutely correct about always preferring the rarer car, and I suspect that was a big part of the decision in 1974.

The Europa is currently being rebuilt (another long story). It is possible that when I get back to driving it I won't want to give it up. On the other hand, it has been laid up for a while, and I might immediately see the wisdom of a car more oriented towards "touring" than trying to find tight corners to play on.

Will see

 

Thank you both,

John

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#5

Hi Europa, a Box is definitely run of the mill, boring even. I bought both back with me but sold my Boxster last Summer, I don't miss it, the 968 is much more interesting and it handles just fine. You won't be disappointed.


And the other good thing is this site and the quality of information Smile Smile
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#6

The boxsters may be more affordable but any mook can own one. You should consider belonging to the rarified air of a group of owners with only 12,000 examples produced worldwide. Seriously, drive both examples and the decision will be clear to you.

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#7

With a box your never sure which way round you parked it, no such confusion with a 968
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[quote name="Waylander" post="189449" timestamp="1586888027"]With a box your never sure which way round you parked it, no such confusion with a 968[/quote]


Exactly .. not to mention driving, when all the other cars wont know if youre in front of them , or coming right at them !! Scary .


( Applies only to the first generation Boxsters, they corrected that flaw on the newer models ..)
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#9

Thanks for all the responses about the Boxster being too symmetrical, front to back. I certainly don't want to be cited for driving the wrong way on a highway, so I agree, the Boxster is out.

I am interested to hear how many prefer the 968 for driving. I always thought that a mid-engined car was considered the way to go.

I had not really considered the Boxster until I was composing my original "Introduction" posting on your forum. It seemed like an affordable alternative, and I do have long term mid engine experience.

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#10

I agree that mid engine cars do handle very well ( vs. most other front, or rear engine cars ) but considering the 968 has nearly a perfect 50/50 weight balance you just can’t go wrong, and the driving experience will at least match, if not beat just about anything out there ..IMO.

p.s. not to be confused with other performance factors like speed...
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#11

Europa,

What kind of budget are you thinking and how do you feel about doing your own repairs?  I think all cars have pros and cons.  Are you looking only at convertibles?

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#12

" I'm looking for something fun, rare and more comfortable"

could you prioritize those 3 requirements?    fun & comfortable don't naturally go hand in hand, IMHO. 

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#13

The main thing to remember is there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche


The Boxster / Cayman can be bought cheaper but almost any big job is engine out, set of plugs and coil packs change will be a over 1000$ if done by a garage / shop


Set of plugs for a 968 $20 and 10 mins


The 968 is fast, handles well, rare, and is just great to own and drive


Out of my 4 cars it’s the one I drive the most
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#14

Hi, thanks for all the replies/advice/questions.

ds968

Thanks for reminding me about the weight balance of the 968, usually a distinguishing characteristic of mid-engined cars. My idea of fun is going around corners fast, not top speed.

 

snova,

Budget is flexible. I have done most everything on the Europa, but it's like a go-cart compared to modern cars, and believe me, the 968 is modern by comparison. I'm leaning heavily towards convertibles mostly  because I've never had one. "Fun", as I previously said, is primarily going around corners fast. I agree that fun and comfort don't go hand in hand, but the 2" of foam, 2" above the floor in the Europa, is somewhat extreme. The driving position of the Europa, sitting on the floor, with legs straight out, was "comfortable" at the time, but I assume many modern cars could be more cushioned, hence comfortable, without losing feel of the road. So, I guess my ranking would be fun (cornering), relatively comfortable, and rare.

 

waylander

Thanks for the positive comments about the 968

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#15

Europa,

I have a collection of sports cars.  All are either 50/50 balanced or a little rear biased.   3 convertibles, 3 coupes. 

I can not speak to the 968 as a convertible, since mine is a coupe. However, I can tell you some characteristics about the 968 which are unique compared to my other cars.

 

steering feel:  There is a surprising amount of play on center, as a result its a bit more relaxed going straight. Turn the wheel with the intension to turn, it feels heavy and precise. very little power steering boasted feel compared to my other cars.   

 

cornering: Out of all my cars, it feels the most "planted" around turns.  You really really have to work hard to upset it.   The car doesn't feel light, it drives bigger than expected.  I would not say its quick to rotate. But it does feel confidence inspiring around any turn and at any speed. 

 

comfort: The seating position is comfortable and the seats are pretty good. However, I would not say the suspension is overly compliant. Its no Lotus, but its still relatively stiff. The tire noise, especially from the rear can be easily heard and felt on my car. Bumps easily felt. 

 

rarity:  no doubt its very rare and has many Porsche engineering quirks.   If you have never owned an old Porsche, its will become apparent that the car was designed by engineers and not marketing. 

 

The car is most enjoyable driving at 9/10 and above 4500 rpm.  Its never scary.. just always planted. amazingly so.   drive it below its limits, and it feels unremarkable other than its rarity. IMHO.   so in MY priority list its little different than yours.

 

rarity is #1, cornering is #2.   comfort is distant third to me.  just ok.  Not punishing.  Coming from a light weight Lotus, it will probably feel like a Cadillac.  Your Lotus likely feels fun at any speed due to its light weight, size.  The 968 hides its true self until you are driving it hard, at that point it becomes fun.

 

everything I say above is my opinion and my opinion alone about my coupe.  I am sure other have a different take, especially if they own the convertible variant. 

 

if rarity was a distant #3 on my list, comfort was a high 2nd, and budget was quite flexible and you have no strong desire to wrench yourself. Then I would be looking at newer Porsches which have active suspension which is called PASM. That feels amazingly compliant. If you can afford it and the risk around it breaking, active suspension skews the traditional trade off of "fun vs comfort" considerably. 

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snova,

Thanks for the detailed analysis. I haven't been able to enter my vehicles in the Profile yet, so I should give my recent background. From 2009-2019 my daily driver was a Volvo V70R, with a six speed manual. Excellent, fun car, but became very expensive to maintain ($12k last 4 years). I bought it as a 3 year old CPO, so I had a brief time on warranty. I sold it this past Fall (with 183k miles) and bought a 2016 CPO BMW 435i xDrive Gran Coupe with M-sport and active suspension. But it only appeared to be available with automatic. I have not gotten into playing with the paddle shifters yet. . (It came with 18 months of warranty.) So, rare and fun, and, of course comfortable with all the adjustments available in the Sport seats.  I am surprised at how flat it stays when I push it around turns. You can see that I tend to keep cars, and feel a need for AWD here in NW Vermont.

A little more, somewhat irrelevant background. My wife traded in her 2007 Prius in late 2018 for a 2019 RAV 4 Hybrid. (She was unwilling to "give up her halo".) Actually, quite a nice car, though I don't try to play with it in corners. Gets 42 mpg in summer, amazing for its size, and I believe it has better acceleration than the non hybrids.
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#17

Europa,

Are you looking for a daily driver replacement or something special to take out for pure enjoyment?

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#18

I have owned both 944 and 928's before I found my 968. It's a very reliable car when well maintained. It runs like a GT and is incredibly stable in the turns. Its also very good looking especially in the Cabriolet version. One thing to look out for is the timing belt. It MUST be changed every 45000 miles of approx every 5 years. This would be the first thing you should check if you check one out. I like 6 speed sports cars but you can find many with automatic gear box. To find details of the 968 look up 968register.com.

Kaj H

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see my ad - car for sale

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#20

Finally getting around to answering a few of your commonts

snova

I already have a fun but practical daily driver with the 435 Gran Coupe, so this would be just for summer drives. Quite a short season here in Northern Vermont. Woke up to snow cover yesterday morning.

Kaj

Thanks for the advice. I do want a 6-speed, especially since the BMW is an automatic. It was hard to give up the manual I had with the V70R, but it was time.

Inked

Your 968 does sound well sorted out, but this is a little too early for a purchase, just got the Europa engine back from the rebuild. I just wanted to start research.

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