[saxman]

I should lock up the credit card when I can't sleep at night.



After seeing the 35% off group buy for ultimatepedals.com on rennlist, I slipped up and bought myself a set of pedals for the car. Oh well, what's $120 anyway. Suppose that would have bought me the rsbarn chip.



Maybe next time I can't sleep I'll order from them.

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[flash]

lol - i've got a set of clamp ons here that you could have had for free

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[saxman]

[quote name='flash' post='43587' date='Nov 15 2007, 05:52 AM']lol - i've got a set of clamp ons here that you could have had for free[/quote]

meh, too late now.



Oh well, new toys are always fun anyway.

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[flash]

no worries - while i agree that the pedals in this car leave something to be desired, i'll likely just move them, as the only issue i have is the spacing - they need to be closer together - after trying a lot of different pedals in many cars over the years, i find that i prefer the rubber, as it has better feel than aluminum



that's why these aluminum ones came to me from someone else who also felt the same way, and are not on my car - they will find a home for someone local who is determined to have aluminum - no worries

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[EEZATOY]

Which style did you get and lets us know how you like them...I always thought ultimatepedals had nice options when it came to pedals....



Sam

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[Anchorman]

I have installed pedals that I purchased at the Hershey swap meet a couple of years ago. One of the challenges I found with adding pedals is that the stock material, behind the rubber on the clutch and brake pedals, is not a firm metal. I'm not sure what it is - feels like a plastic of some sort - but drilling into in for the mounting screws for the new pedals didn't result in a truly firm and secure feel. Over time, I added double-faced tape, and I now have the old rubber pad on the clutch pedal. The idea of a clamp-on sounds better - so maybe I'm a candidate for the ones you have, Bob.



As one more aside - BE CAREFUL if you install a new dead pedal. I drilled into a wiring harness and had lots of subsequent fun splicing the multitude of cut wires.

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[ds968]

[quote name='flash' post='43587' date='Nov 15 2007, 05:52 AM']lol - i've got a set of clamp ons here that you could have had for free[/quote]



Bob, trying to get rid of your neckties again ?! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Ok, but seriously folks.. I keep eyeballing those kind of pedals all the time, just can't convince myself

they're the right ones for my car whose interior is still more on the luxury side ( for lack of a better description ) than the sport side.. that aside, I was also thinking that the grip of the shoe's sole

( whether leather, rubber, etc ) might be an issue on aluminum pedals but then again since so many super cars & race cars have them I'm sure it's not a problem ..

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[saxman]

[quote name='ds968' post='43606' date='Nov 15 2007, 01:27 PM']Bob, trying to get rid of your neckties again ?! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Ok, but seriously folks.. I keep eyeballing those kind of pedals all the time, just can't convince myself

they're the right ones for my car whose interior is still more on the luxury side ( for lack of a better description ) than the sport side.. that aside, I was also thinking that the grip of the shoe's sole

( whether leather, rubber, etc ) might be an issue on aluminum pedals but then again since so many super cars & race cars have them I'm sure it's not a problem ..[/quote]

I picked them up on an impulse, just because I want to try to modernize the interior a bit, but grip with these is supposed to be one of the main selling points.



I went for the shiny(although looks more like brushed al) ones with the rubber inserts... something along these lines(although the proper shape and without the porsche logo)

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[flash]

from an aesthetics standpoint, i would want them black - aluminum and shiny surfaces look very out of place in a leather and carpet luxury car like a porsche - they belong soley in a hard metal interior car or an old hot rod - thankfully that teenager fad is fading just like drifting (even yokahama, the original japanese proponent, has officially pulled out of all sponsorhips of drifting)



from a feel standpoint, i would want them smooth and a touch pliable - like rubber is



i've had solid pedals before and found they lack the feel for smooth operation, especially when they have these kinds of little knobbies on them - they lacked the ability to "roll" under my foot



i think a lot of this fad began with kids with hard soled shoes trying to drive - first off, they have the wrong shoe - a driving shoe should have a very pliable sole - this does not work well with hard pedals - hard pedals are fine if you are driving in doc martins, but then you should be driving an escalade and not a porsche



i would not recommend ANY screw on or clamp on device on the pedals if it involves retaining the rubber - it is not safe



even if the rubber is removed, i would feel the same way if the profile of the overlay was not exactly the same as the steel pedal underneath



i was kidding when i said the ones i have here would find a home - i would not recommend them for anyone, and would feel very uncomfortable even giving them away

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[saxman]

I personally like the look... figured I'd install them and see how I like them. My car is my daily driver, so wearing proper driving shoes is somewhat of a moot point. I wanted something that gives better grip when my shoes are wet, etc. Hopefully this will achieve this... if not, not the end of the world.





Mounting involves removing the rubber.

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[flash]

clearly i'm an old fart - i remember back when i was a teenager, and things like this were being put into our muscle cars - we were stripping door panels, yanking rear seats, and really gutting cars to make them go faster - metal pedals and aluminum dashes were common



now that i am older, i have grown to enjoy the plush comforts, and dislike hard cold surfaces - one of the things i like most about the porsche is its feel of comfort in the choices of surface material



we tend to do things when we were young, that we later find out were not such great ideas (a pinto we were trying to hotrod comes to mind - lol - disco too)



from a driving perspective, i think heel/toe is going to be a lot tougher with pedals like that - i think it will be a lot more difficult rolling your foot over - i know it has been for me any time i've driven a car with them - if you don't heel-toe, it may not be so much of an issue - just make sure they are safe, and have no opportunity for wiggle, edge leverage, or foot jamming



for me, aesthetically it's all about what the eye is drawn to first - i don't want it drawn to pedals, but rather to the leather and plushness - pedals, gearshift knobs, and gauges are things i want to vanish into the landscape of leather - in fact, this winter i am changing my remaining panels from vinyl to leather, to further that concept (yes jim, you can finally get my door panels) because the vinyl just doesn't look rich enough to me



these cars have a lot of room for personalization, and certainly everybody has the right to do what they want, and what pleases them, regardless of what somebody else thinks - that's half the fun of owning them - there are certainly those who have issue with some of my choices too - that's ok, they don't have to drive it



have fun with it and be safe

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='saxman' post='43613' date='Nov 15 2007, 04:47 PM']I picked them up on an impulse, just because I want to try to modernize the interior a bit, but grip with these is supposed to be one of the main selling points.



I went for the shiny(although looks more like brushed al) ones with the rubber inserts... something along these lines(although the proper shape and without the porsche logo)

[/quote]



They look perfect. Did you also get the dead pedal.

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[saxman]

[quote name='rhudeboye' post='43640' date='Nov 16 2007, 07:34 AM']They look perfect. Did you also get the dead pedal.[/quote]

I did... they look like those, but basically without the porsche script... I'll post pictures when they show up(although likely not on a large piece of carbon).



Flash, I get what you're saying. Safety first, etc. And as I said in the title of my thread, my inner ricer slipped out. After all, I did come from a honda <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

I think it could look good. I've seen photos of other 968's and other porsches with them, and I like the appearance.



I'm surprised you talk about the gauges and the car looking higher end... nothing says high end to me like gauges lit by little bulbs just shining on them.



Something needs to be done there.

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[flash]

no worries - clearly i'm jaded - i'm getting to the point now where i can start doing some profiling of the owners, based on what they do to their car



lol - i used to build all my own dashes - stewart warner was everywhere - to me what says high end is backlighting and nothing but needles and numbers - no trim rings, not shiny nonsense - just the information - i don't spend a lot of time looking at the dash when i'm driving - my eye is focused 2 turns ahead - i'd be happy with a HUD and no dash

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[saxman]

[quote name='flash' post='43663' date='Nov 16 2007, 11:50 AM']no worries - clearly i'm jaded - i'm getting to the point now where i can start doing some profiling of the owners, based on what they do to their car[/quote]

bah, that's no fair... just because some of the things I've discussed(headlights/taillights/gauges/etc) are not all that performance oriented doesn't mean to start profiling and assuming other aspects aren't important(I'm sure that was an openended comment meant at more than just me, just saying).



I personally don't have the money to put into some of the things I'd like to, performance wise especially, for the vehicle. So I'm inclined to use the skills that I have to update parts of the car that I feel hold the vehicle back. The gauges, for example, are embarrassing. They were low tech in the mid 80's when porsche started using them, even lower tech in the mid 90's, and just absurd now. There's no reason a late 80's honda civic should have a more modern looking cluster than a mid 90's porsche. Doesn't mean white gauges that glow 50 different colors are the solution, but there's definitely room for improvement there. How many cars the caliber of the 968 these days have anything so boring and archaic?



But again, to each their own. As long as I don't see any more 968's with lambo doors and huge chrome wheels, I'm happy.

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[94SilverCab]

[quote name='flash' post='43636' date='Nov 16 2007, 09:08 AM']clearly i'm an old fart - i remember back when i was a teenager, and things like this were being put into our muscle cars - we were stripping door panels, yanking rear seats, and really gutting cars to make them go faster - metal pedals and aluminum dashes were common[/quote]





Former "Flashmobile"



LOL



Jay

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[flash]

i'm not rating anything in order of importance



the "profiling" thing has not really got anything to do with whether or not a mod is performance related or not - i can generally tell a person's age, background, upbringing, and education by looking at the car they have had a hand in modifying



profiling is not a bad thing - we all do it every day, and it's fine - trends are trends, nothing more, and say nothing about a person's character - we all need to relax about that nonsense



as an example, i see kids doing things like gauges and such more than older people - this is generally an income level thing - they kids have the same passion about the car, but not the same disposable income, so they do what they can afford - i did a lot of the same kind of thing when i was younger - i did those things that i could afford, and dreamed about the rest - i would tinker with my stereo before i would build a hot engine - the stereo was affordable, the engine wasn't - i would put on tires and wheels before i painted the car, etc



as for "updating", metal pedals, ringed gauges, bright dash lights and such are really very retro, and not updating at all - old stuff from when i was a kid - i get a bit of a giggle about it now when i see people describing it as "new" - i guess if you stick around long enough you get to see everything revisited (man i hope that doesn't mean disco is coming back)



anyway, yes, i think the needles should be translucent, and the dash backlit, but the rest looks about the same as both of my other cars, one of which is an 02 and the other an 06 - not sure what should be changed to make it any different - a round analog gauge is a round analog gauge - you need a few of them in a cluster - what would you do differently?



jay - i remember that car - didn't they do a take off on it in wayne's world?

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[saxman]

no worries... wasn't stressing out about you profiling





well, a bit about my background... just to put it out there. I have several years of transportation design schooling under my belt(have sense gone back down the mechanical engineering path), so a lot of what I've learned to look for is stuff that's visually exciting, while still being somewhat classy.



I wouldn't do anything too drastic, but I think there's room for improvement here. Look at some of the ideas coming out on new concept cars. There's no reason the cluster doesn't have to be visual interesting in a way that isn't overly distracting.



Look at something like this:



Isn't really any more complex than the 968 cluster... doesn't have anything loud an obnoxious, but it also doesn't scream 80's tech.





If I were to do something somewhat simple for the 968 to update the gauges... I think something like this would be in order. Take the metal gauge rings, and cut some indentations in them to allow for small, not too bright led rectangles to be inserted. You get a cheap, easy solution that looks more classy, and you get better light.



If you're having trouble visualizing my vague description, look at the aston marting cluster, with the metal ring and the little tabs indicating the speed.





On top of that, a fun project like this would be kinda entertaining...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3Q0Atx3oA







Nice thing is that if you're going through the effort of making something like that work, you can make your leds fully dimmable, so you could turn 'em anywhere from off to blinding with a rheostat. Solves the issue of bright lights when you don't want them, and can be a little more visually enticing when you do.



Oh well... another project for another day.







On a note more related to the original post, you mentioned this earlier flash:



"aluminum and shiny surfaces look very out of place in a leather and carpet luxury car like a porsche"

aluminum pedals look right at home on the cars they come factory on... aston martins, ferraris, etc... It's a pretty common thing on most high end sports cars today. I certainly wouldn't argue with the designers behind todays aston martins, but that's just me.

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[flash]

i would argue with them without hesitation - just because they are big companies does not mean they didn't make mistakes - happens all the time - they do what they want, whether it is right or wrong



i think they have lost touch with what sets those cars apart by "cheaping out" with the changes lately - while i can see metal pedals and hard surfaces in a purpose built car like an F40, which has little to no interior, they are just wrong in a car that has a plush interior



this would be like putting race seats and harnesses in my denali



the pedals might look right if you gutted the interior of the car and turned it into a race car, or at least the club sport look with the fixed recaros, spartan door panels, club sport steering wheel, and all that



those gauges in the top pic above looks remarkably similar to the british sports cars of the 60s, and the other one looks like it came out of an even earlier american car - not at all updated, but rather very retro

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