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While the carpet is out, I decided to replace the entire stereo system. Nothing real pricy, but just something for the long highway trips.



Went with :



Sony SONY CDX-GT520 which has rca pre-out front, rear, and sub and ipod front input.



Visonik 4 channel amp (75wx4 @4ohm)



INFINITY KAPPA 462.7CFP 4x6" for the rear



MB QUART SPEAKERS QM 100 mx 2 for the doors, tweeters already replaced with Diamond Audio brand and are fine



Also bought a slim profile powered sub from Boss Audio BASS 600 8" .



This is not the kick ass 1000 watt 12 in sub system, but it is perfect for adding a some good low end rumble to the rest of the system and does not weigh much. The 4 channel amp is nothing special but will do the job and still sound good. Sony head unit is nice because of all the outputs. Both the sub and amp are low profile and will tuck away nicely. These can easily be upgraded later if needed.
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Correction: went with Polks for the doors. 5 inch mounts needing only a 4 inch cutout
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#3

Looks like a nice simple system. I like the small sub for easy installation purposes. Unlike flash I don't have the skills to create a custom box for the back of my cab. Really interested in how the install goes and especially how the sub sounds.



Please take some pics as you do the install to help us less mechanically inclined.
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#4

still waiting on a few parts...



since the carpet is out it is very easy to do.
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#5

Have all components but am not happy with the POLK speakers. Decided to get a pair of MA audio 5.25 components. I think these will be much better in the midrange...and new tweets and crossovers, too. Might have to do a little door panel work.....





http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictures.php?id=8506







One thing about ebay electronics is that often you are buying older models...a few months or years.... These speakers above are the older faceplate plastic design, but the internals have not changed. For lower door panel I should have stuck to my original plan instead of buying the Polks. . I usually install a glass or CF mid-woofer with rubber surround and cast frame. These usually have the best sound in doors. Magnet size is not a determining factor because of the newer magnet construction materials. Most modern speakers use a Kapton coil or derivative. Also pay attention to the surround. Neoprene or butyl rubber or a relative last longer than foam and are more stable. Cast frames are much more rigid, but heavier and sometimes need work to install. Check out the speaker post to coil wires. Braided nickle or copper alloys seem best. I stay away from paper or poly cones if possible because I try to avoid significant cone flex and effects of door moisture.



Another consideration is the crossover. More expensive brands have a powered crossover. Passive is fine too. Consider running low level output from head unit into crossover(if designed that way), and then to two seperate amps for the front tweet and mid/woofer. Also, I love the sound of a good silk tweeter. I would say that a good silk tweeter puts out much richer highs than alloy tweeters. Especially when listening to string instruments and certain brass.



Much to consider for just the front doors.........
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#6

totally agree wrt the silks. Keep us posted and add some pics as you go. I know how you are spending your wkends rad!
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full pics to come....
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#8

Here is the latest:



WOW!!!





Today I had some time to run wires and test the audio system. All I can say is Holy Crap! It sounds fantastic (this coming froma guy who used to build his own amplifiers and speakers!)!



For the money, this is by far the best sounding system I have ever put together. You cannot sit in the car with the volume up more than the 25 mark(I think the sony goes to 30? but i could not tell you the dB level) or you will loose your mid and high range hearing. The sub, described above, is very strong up to the 20 level (all three amp channels set to the middle gain mark). The only complaint is thet the crossover sub output did not work (maybe miswired at the factory...BUT I don;t care because I am running strainght from the amp to the front door speakers avoiding current/fq losses. I did have to open up the crossovers and reset the circuit to -4.5dB for the front door tweets(real easy to do), otherwise they were too loud. If you get a component front door system (which I highly recommend) be sure to get one with an adjustable crossover for the tweeters



The Visonic amp works very well with absolutely no hiss. Soft turn on and no distortion up to a level where my wife says turn it down (which is really pretty loud)



If you sit in the rear between the two Infinity speakers, the sound is like a great set of headphones. When the volume gets cranked up, it seemed at first that the highs were overwhelming. But this is EASILY corrected with the Sony head unit. Remember, this sony unit has front, rear and sub rca outputs so you can really taylor the system as you like. The Sony unit is super easy to use with intuitive button location and a remote that does everything you need with a few buttons. It has a nice blue screen (i would have preferred red)with easy to read letters/numbers.



As for the sub, obviously, it's not shaking the windows on the neighbor's house, but it works perfectly well with this system and provides more than enough clear and sharp bass from about 90-120 Hz. Also, i was able to max out the sub in the lower frequency ranges. it found a good home with the best kick around 90-110Hz. When I spent some time tuning the Sony head , things started to sound great(It allows for low, mid, high adjustment, multiple preset eq settings like 'vocal', a three choice special processor something like the classic 'sonic maximizer' rack unit..I like #2 on this..... and front, sub, and rear +10 to -10 level control. Very simple, very easy , and very loud and clear.



I tested the setup with the following:

Deutsche Grammaphon recording Tchaikovsky allegro moderato concert in D major opus 35 and the end allegro molto appassionato from Mendelssohn violin concert op 64

Outkast.."Hey ya" and 'Roses'

Green day greates hits

chilli peppers bunch of stuff

Pearl Jam : Evenflow and alive ...for the great vocals

back side of the great Led Zepp Latter days with special attention to Nobody's Fault But Mine/all my love/ In the evening!!! Damn!! but old recording..

and finally, but certainly not the last, the way cool band Sublime: CD Sublime



So , you can tell form the above, I like music that has a punch and/or good vocals, which is exactly what the stereo system I put in does best.



Now for more good news: the sub pictured here is self amped and fits in front of the spare in the spare wheel well and barely stick up above the trunk sheet metal. Not only that, the sub sounds best in this hole and with the trunk down, soundwaves are in part reflected forward into the cab and vibrate though the whole trunk storage area. The sound deadening material works well to knock out any tinniness and absorbes the cross cabin echos. Or I could put it in the driver side rear cubby.....





Wiring:

PO put in a Bazooka 10 inch powered sub. That went right into the trash..along with all the old crap wiring and rigged splices (more below) If you remove the center console there will be a jumble of wires related to the Porsche stereo system. Unwrap all the tape. exclude all wires going to the switches in front of the gear shift and the ash tray lamp wires. Now that you have them unwrapped, look for the thick green wire, the thick red wire, and the thick brown wire. These are all you need! (1992 edition)



Brown=ground

Green=ignition on

red=constant 12v



cut everything else out of there! (except the antenna connection!) Porsche did a real nice job with the metal stereo supports and 1 DIN units fit right in no problems. I just have to find and mount a rear "can't steal me easily" strap and bolt it in. But this system has a detachable face so I'm not too worried. Anyway, I bought three fine strand generic 20 ft rca cables at the local autoparts store. the covering was flexable enough to go around tight bends without problem. These RCAs come with remot turn on wire so that makes only three runs to the trunk from the head unit. you don't need to spend 80$ a set to get good sound.



next was a good multistrand power line from batt to trunk (right rear storage bin). I parallel wired the amp and sub. hooked up amp 4 channels 1,2,3,4 (1,3 right...2,4 left) and hooked up sub. Porsche copper ground point is in trunk to left of spare (rear lights ground here)



From the 4 channel amp, I ran new wiring up each side to the right and left rears and soldered the connection the the speaker(no loose ones here). then ran the front set from the amp to the crossovers then two sets of wires on each side up under door sill trim to the right and left door. Thin wire coat hanger gets you though the door hinge area in stages with the rubber bellows as the midpoint(pops in and out real easily). in total, Six pairs run forward from the trunk to the cabin speakers.



So , for a few buck, great system. Period.
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#9

i too had to drop the tweeter level 2db - 4 would have been too much, as i have a cab, but straight was too hot - i don't know what porsche was thinking either by adding a set of mids - i find the mids to be problematic in this car anyway, and have had to do quite a bit of installation tuning to get them to smooth out - low mids, like around 125hz, are a mess - they start swirling around in this mushy rumbly nightmare - i've had to create gaps in the crossovers, and play with the slopes, to accommodate that without losing it altogether



fun though
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yeah, I know what you mean. The sound deadening material might have helped me, but I will never know because I never heard the system without it. I actually have the mid-range turned down significantly when compared with the highs and lows on the sony unit. I think a pair of long excursion 6 inch indoor woofer speakers in the rear cutouts may have helped...



but since i was well satisfied with the tight higher fq bass from the sub which kinda fills in the low-mid range, no complaints for now.



as a side note, I built a 15 inch sub for my movie surround system using a Cupric thick cast aluminum basket aluminum transducer sub and a 400 watt amp ported for the rumbling lows. It weighs about 50 lbs and reaches lows so low that it feels like the concrete slab moving but you don't really hear anything. weird sensation...but maybe it's just my semi-circular canals getting confused. ...
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lol - i am using 2 W2s with a big hafler for subs on mine - that is in addition to the 2 12" woofers in the ultralinear S550s
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#12

I know hafler makes a nice 15in sub. i don;t really know who makes the W2 or S550's? But i bet it sounds good... I did have a line array setup for a while, but unless you were in the sweet spot, it was not so hot.
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lol - i just had this conversation yesterday when talking about a gig i have in a ballroom - i have used line arrays in stadiums and stuff, but as you say, they are traditionally directional and you have to be in the sweet spot - there are some new ones out now with better dispersion, but it is easy to over box the room - i can't imagine them doing much better in a home theater setup



i'm not a fan of these new fangled digital oriented speakers - they are fine for a small room and a home theater, but when you want to listen to music, they fall down - that's why i still use a lot of what is now considered "vintage" gear



the W2 was made by NHT - i'm not using their amp or crossover but for the speaker, you can see this: http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=15944



the ST550 (my bad - not S550) was made by UltraLinear - it is a time aligned 3 way with a single 12 (i have JBL drivers in there now) a 2" mid and a 1" tweeter - see this: http://www.thevintageknob.org/THEVAULT/ULT...LTRALINEAR.html



while i use outboard amplifiers, third octave EQs, and compression on all the front main channels, the rig is driven by a Yamaha RX-V2600, and i use Bose 201s for the front presence, Bose 301s for the rear main surround, Yamaha NS-A240s for the rear additional surrounds, and a Bose center channel speaker for the center - this provides support for the 134" screen



and we now rejoin our regularly scheduled topic



i finally got a chance to day to do the bypass mod on the Z2 in the M3 - now i can program on the fly, and not have to stop to enter an address or anything like that
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#14

ok. last off comment topic from me.



Flash: good equipment is good equipment, even if it looks like it's from the 50s! I even had a moden 'retro' tube eq to soften the rest of the rack. Sounded great but made a lot of heat. If you feel like building your own speakers..crossovers..cabs..etc.., a great source for electronic parts is 'Parts Express.'
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lol - i miss my urei tube compressors



i know parts express well - that's where we used to get the sub ports for the airbox mod



see how i deftly brought it back to the 968? roflmao
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[quote name='flash' post='56457' date='Jul 18 2008, 05:48 AM']lol - i miss my urei tube compressors



i know parts express well - that's where we used to get the sub ports for the airbox mod



see how i deftly brought it back to the 968? roflmao[/quote]





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http://www.uaudio.com/products/analog/LA-2A/index.html

brian
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nice!
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#18

finally finished the stereo install today. Used black screws on this side and will change the other side when I get a chance. Sounds Great! More foot room without the pockets when getting in and out.
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#19

Very impressive!. You have done some great things to your car Xrad.



Joe
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#20

Thanks, Joe!
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