[tamathumper]

Hopefully he said "Odometer Gear", and did not say "Pinion Gear"? And your other symptom with the starter sounds like "Gummy Starter Syndrome". A search for any of those terms will turn up plenty of straightforward advice on the forum, more than I could put in a single reply.

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[mbardeen]

[quote name='afpintek' timestamp='1344680064' post='130829']

Hello all,

Thanks once again for all your help.

I purchased a 968 yesterday.

It was less then 2 hours from my house.

I t has 230K on it. excellent body, paint, and interior, far mechanical, always maintained very well, have all records.

One problem, he said it needs some type of gear.

I forgot what it was called. He replaced alternator and starter. But sometimes when you go to start the car.

It makes a winding sound, and then you turn key off, turn key again and it starts.

Paid 7500, drives very good, other then that.



Anthony

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My car had something similar when I first bought it. It would take a while before the starter "caught". Most of the time it would just spin. I took the starter to be rebuilt and that solved the problem -- it cost me $75 or so, IIRC.

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[afpintek]

Hi,

I just talked with him again.

He said he thought it was the ring gear.

What ever that means.



Thanks,



Anthony

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[hot968]

The 968 I brought had the same starter problem. I don't know how handy u r but it is very easy to install a new starter we did it ourselves and now starts right up. Brought from Paragon I think it was $250.00. Best of luck with your new ride!

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[afpintek]

you said, The 968 I brought had the same starter problem. I don't know how handy u r but it is very easy to install a new starter we did it ourselves and now starts right up. Brought from Paragon I think it was $250.00. Best of luck with your new ride!





But he showed me, the new starter and alternator receipts.

Could it be a defective starter.

He said, it was the ring gear, or do you think he is BSn me.



Anthony

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[tamathumper]

Did you get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> - that should help you find out what is wrong with the gearing without having to rely on the seller.

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[mbardeen]

The ring gear that's affixed to the flywheel? Hmm.... That's a good chunk o'change right there.

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[afpintek]

you said <The ring gear that's affixed to the flywheel? Hmm.... That's a good chunk o'change right there>







So, Does it sound like it could be the ring gear, or is it the starter.



Thanks,



Anthony

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[hot968]

Sorry I can't help as I don't know what a ring gear is or what it does? <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/whine.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[Monstrous4Banger]

You didnt get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym>? A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> from a mechanic is usually about 100 bucks, and then you wouldnt have had any questions about what is wrong, cause the mechanic wouldve told you every flaw it had, and what needs to be done. This is why a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> was stressed to you by several people over, and over again in this thread. My guess at that mileage the pinion gear is bad. Is there a whirring sound coming from the transaxle that sounds like a jet engine? Thats a lot of miles.

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[ds968]

A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> is always a good idea, and helpful to a certain extent but it does not / cannot identify all of the problems a car may have. Furthermore, unless the mechanic is familiar with the 968 itself, chances are even more problems will be overlooked. On pinion bearing alone, I recall posts on .net and perhaps here also, where members have taken their car to Porsche dealers service depts, as well as independent Porsche mechanics asking about the " jet engine whine " and were told that's a normal noise for these cars and nothing wrong with it..

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[afpintek]

You Said: You didnt get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym>? A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> from a mechanic is usually about 100 bucks, and then you wouldnt have had any questions about what is wrong,









A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> costing a $100.00 is a lot to me. The Insurance Company barely gave me enough to buy this car.

I lost my Business last year after 37 years. The final straw was totaling out my 968.

I purchased this from a 65 year old guy who did not beat it, and seemed very honest.

I am 62, and turn to you guys for help.

Not sarcasm

There is no whining sound coming from the trans-axle.

There is just a whining sound when I go to start it.

It sounds like it is coming from the starter, the ex owner told me something about the ring gear.

Just looking for your advice.





Anthony

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[mbardeen]

The car is a manual? If so, the ring gear is attached to the dual mass flywheel and not available, as far as I know, as separate piece. A new dual mass flywheel costs around $1K USD. You might be able to find a used one at DCAuto or by asking around on the various 968 boards. You still will pay quite a lot just for the part. Not to mention the labor for installing it.



Since we can't see or hear what's really going on, it's hard to tell what it could be. We can make suggestions, but ultimately, somebody needs to get under the car and take a look to determine what's wrong.

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[tamathumper]

If it has a new starter and is still whirring then the ring gear that the starter engages may be bad. It is part of the <acronym title='dual mass flywheel'>DMF</acronym> and you may find one on eBay with clutch for 300-ish. I did last year. I did not need it and I still have the old set with 43K on them if it comes to it.

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[Monstrous4Banger]

My intent wasnt sarcasm. A competent front engine Porsche mecahinc isnt that hard to find(the dealer isnt a competent front engine mechanic), and yes they couldve told you about every flaw mechanically speaking. Of course it cant identify every single flaw a car has. But mechanically it can tell just about everything if its thorough. Compression, and leak down tell quite a story in and of itself. Like mbardeen mentioned, some one needs to get under it and look, which is why we said get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym>. You can only do so much on an internet forum. A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> can save you a ton of cash, and lets you know how to negotiate the sale. Rule #1 when buying an old Porsche, get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym>. Then there are less to no surprises if you get a competent shop. A <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> is just to be considered part of the cost of the car. Usually you can get a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym>, and it gives you some leverage to haggle, and absorb the cost of it.



Like Flash's sig says its far cheaper to do it right the first time.

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[afpintek]

you said: . I did not need it and I still have the old set with 43K on them if it comes to it.



Hello,

So, you may have the parts I need, if indeed it is the problem.

Does that mean you are offering to sell them to me.

If that is the case, how much would it cost me.

Where are you located, I am in CT.



Anthony

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[afpintek]

Hello all,



The other reason I did not want to put the extra money into a <acronym title='pre purchase inspection'>PPI</acronym> ( besides me not having a lot of money right now) was because the previous owner was totally honest with me, I am certain.

He showed all his records for the car. He told me his mechanic told him it probably needed the ring gear, and that is all it needed.

Other wise everything else is done. I was trying to get info from you guys about the ring gear, because to me it sounded like it could be the starter.

The car is other wise pretty mint, but a lot of miles, but very well maintained. Paint I give a 9 out of 10, Interior 8, Driving, Handling, Power, Braking, etc 9.

He wanted 8900 to begin, but lowered to 7500 because of maybe needing a ring gear and the high miles.

But not to Jinx it, the car has started every time, so far.

BTW: The car is on the front cover of the December 2008 magazine, Challenge, The CT Valley Region/ Porsche Club of America magazine.

Volume XXXI No.12.

If any one wants to see it, and has the Magazine.



Thanks again for everyones help,



Anthony

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[tamathumper]

The ring gear is a big ring about a foot across. If it's damaged in only one spot, then the car will probably start fine *except* when that bad spot coincidentally lines up with the starter gear.



Yes I do have the <acronym title='dual mass flywheel'>DMF</acronym> and matching pressure plate, and you are welcome to PM me or you can shoot me an e-mail at tamathumper@tamathumper.com if need be.

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[afpintek]

To tamathumper







Will the car eventually not start at all, and am I doing damage to the car driving it that way.



Thanks,



Anthony

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[tamathumper]

Sorry, impossible to say without looking at it. Once running it is OK, but at the very least your new starter's drive gear is getting chewed up if it is running against broken teeth.

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