[mech]

I noticed that people with the non-sport models of the 968 are using new inserts with the m030 strut assembly, whats the advantage of doing that?

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[Greimann]

If you mean a coil over setup on a non-m030 car with a Koni insert - The Koni's are the only aftermarket replacement strut. I would imagine converting one would be vastly cheaper than ordering factory replacement M030. This is a guess, anyone priced factory M030 struts?

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[GREYGHOST]

The Koni Insert is all that is available for the base suspension right now, they do not have any housings left. You can still by the M030 Koni from your local dealer, last time I checked they had 60 left in Germany, for $599 each. If you go with the M030 you still need the spring perch and nuts. If you can find a set of housings they can be rebuilt to your specs.



I have set off a 944 turbo cup car from germany. they are a double adjustables.



thanks Rob

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[mech]

wow those options sound cool but more track oriented than I want



I have tried koni's in my other car and the switch to true coilovers was awesome, those ones are particularly nice on the street, I'm hoping to find something as nice for my 968 because I want to make it my daily driver <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[Greimann]

So can you clarify your question? What components are you looking for? The choices are fairly limited on the front:



Factory standard replacemet

Factory M030 replacement

Koni insert with stock spring

Koni insert with H&R spring

Koni insert with coil over setup

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[mech]

[quote name='Greimann' date='Apr 2 2005, 01:25 AM']So can you clarify your question? What components are you looking for? The choices are fairly limited on the front:



Factory  standard replacemet

Factory M030 replacement

Koni insert with stock spring

Koni insert with H&R spring

Koni insert with coil over setup

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wow i have no idea there are so few options, Im going to email bilstien to find out how much it is to get the escort cup coilovers revalved with softer springs, but I guess I will just be going with the Koni inserts, any comments on the H&r springs?

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[Greimann]

The H&R's lower the front a little less than 1" Have a progressive rate, 195 - 230, so they are a good street spring and handle well too. I lke them, much better handling than stock.

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[flash]

just as a note - the M030 was a koni adjustable strut - that may be why they are doing that



the advantageas are a firmer front suspension and tuning capability for the specific use of the car and tastes of the driver



how do you plan to drive the car? that's the first think to figure out - use the 80/20 rule - will the car see track time? is it a toy or a commuter? that kind of thing - what kind oif driving will it be doing 80% of the time? that will help you with a lot of preperation decisions on the car



the H&R is a great spring - it does a very nice job of firming things up without making the ride too rough for street and spirited driving - it's really too soft for competitive track use though - if you go this route, the story on the spring is that performance products specced it to H&R who made it especially for them - it is not in the H&R catalog - paragon (who also sells it) buys from performance products - best price is a toss up between the 2, depending on who has a sale going on

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[Mark]

There is also KW Suspensions available in the variant 3 for the 968 but not cheap. Some of the UK guys are playing with this one.





Mark

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[mech]

Ok, I think im going with he Konis and the H&R springs, any problems with the front bumber being lower? I got to take a good look under my car, the bushing on the rear side of the front passenger control arm looks shot, I want to replace those, are sperical bearings a worthwhile replacement

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[Greimann]

[quote name='mech' date='Apr 3 2005, 06:35 PM'] 

.... any problems with the front bumper being lower? 

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No problems at all. Consider that I also have a splitter and can negotiate sloped driveways with ease.



Of course, you will also need to drop the tail of the car on the eccentric bushing, and that is a project in itself.



Oh yea, if the front and rear lowering dimensions don't add up equal, you will also need to re-aim your headlamps.

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[flash]

spherical castor blosck will do 2 thins - they will give you more positive location of the control arm and they will give you more positive location of the control arm - lol - what this means is that you will have more accurate tracking, but will feel a lot more of the input through the steering - this can also mean more wear on tired components - if you go that route, carefully inspect your lower ball joints and steering rack and tie rods - it could also make for more noise



i have spherical bearings in a few places in my car - they work well, but there is definitely more impact felt everywhere



when you make these changes, make sure you get a good alignment - i highly recommend a strut tower brace - this will allow you to set the car up with alignment specs that will give you both better handling and beter tire wear



i will be posting the specs tomorrow for different setups

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[Silver BLT]

A heads up on the H&R lowering springs. I ordered as set from Paragon Products and they told me that the springs have been backordered for ~3 1/2 months. They have 5 sets on order and I bought set #5, when they arrive....... as of today, there is no shippment date on the springs. No springs no strut conversion. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> I only want to have it alligned once. They may be in stock somewhere else, I dunno, call first before placing your order.

I need my springs! The car looks silly with the new tires on the front and it not being lowered. 235x40x17 Toyo Proxe T1-S <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/unsure.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

Silver BLT

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[Greimann]

Try Pelican parts. That is where I got mine:



http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopca..._suspen_pg8.htm

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[flash]

everyone gets them from performance products - that's is who specced the spring to H&R - try there first



have you contacted the guy who has the set, with konis for sale?

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[mech]

[quote name='flash' date='Apr 7 2005, 11:51 AM']everyone gets them from performance products - that's is who specced the spring to H&R - try there first



have you contacted the guy who has the set, with konis for sale?

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He's is just selling a set of H&R springs with stock dampers. I'll keep looking around, I called Lindsey and Moton's installer in atlanta, Motorwerks. I found some cool info. Those motons are pricey, im going to have to go up to there shop and check them out. They have them on a couple of 968s and they offered to let me drive one that was setup for street.



One interesting thing about the motons is that they have no rebuild/reoil mantinance cycle, they are built to last.



Lindsey has some cool stuff to say about the Escort Cup, I like these but they are not adjustable.

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[flash]

oops - my bad - guess that's what happens when you are bouncing from one site to another because somebody didn't post it here with pics and such, where it could answer those kinds of questions.....................

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[skip]

[quote name='Silver BLT' date='Apr 7 2005, 07:42 AM']A heads up on the H&R lowering springs...



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My first post here but hope I can add something useful. The H&R springs are unavail, yes. So, option is to switch to 951 struts and convert to Koni Sport (8641-1414S - $324/set) then use fixed height lowering springs either in 200# or 250# ($108 or $117/set). Or, convert yours to Koni Sport and use $240/kit ride height adjust kit (inc. 2.5" springs of choice from 200-1000#). Latter is better due to your other comment about getting [alignment] done once. Many who go with fixed height springs come back for the ride height (coil over) kit later. Coil over allows height adjust to perfect left-right delta, rake and corner balance.



Good Luck!



Skip@Paragon

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[flash]

[quote name='skip' date='Apr 7 2005, 02:04 PM']My first post here but hope I can add something useful.  The H&R springs are unavail, yes.  So, option is to switch to 951 struts and convert to Koni Sport (8641-1414S - $324/set) then use fixed height lowering springs either in 200# or 250# ($108 or $117/set).  Or, convert yours to Koni Sport and use $240/kit ride height adjust kit (inc. 2.5" springs of choice from 200-1000#).  Latter is better due to your other comment about getting [alignment] done once.  Many who go with fixed height springs come back for the ride height (coil over) kit later.  Coil over allows height adjust to perfect left-right delta, rake and corner balance.



Good Luck!



Skip@Paragon

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since they are backordered everywhere, if you don't want to buy the ones that guy has, which are the same price as new, then i recommend doing the adjustable height kit skip is suggesting - use a 12" long 2.50" dia 200# spring if you are not increasing rear spring rate - this is what we put in eric's car, and it is working very well - 250# is too stiff for street use - i drove a car with those, and while it might be fine for a toy, with the right completion of the setup, which would involve work in the rear, it would be pretty abusive on a daily basis

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[quote name='flash' date='Apr 7 2005, 03:15 PM']250# is too stiff for street use

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Always good to hear first-hand experiences. Though, we find that quite a few are happy with 250 on the street and in the 968 (or any model with 25.5mm tbars). Especially if used with uprated 19mm rear and OE 27mm front sways - folks report a bit of push with the 30mm front, 250# and stock tbars. My thought is that most stritcly-street cars don't see the heavy understeer threshold too often, if at all. It all depends on your dental plan, eh. Could split the diff and go 225 if you're doing the coil over kit. Ah, choices... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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