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Is a spring a spring
#1

I'm adding Koni sports to my 68 and I'm also looking to drop it a little.

I'm thinking of going with 200 springs but not sure which brand or even if it matters. For those that are running a lowered 68 what springs did you go with?
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#2

I have Koni Yellows front & rear. Did the factory rear ride hieght adjustment (lowest setting), .75" drop in the rear & H&R progressive springs up front 1" drop. I'm very pleased with them.
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This what I had. Best entry level upgrade. I had H&R springs in the front.
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How stiff did you guys go on the springs?

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#5

A spring is basically a spring. Springs from quality suppliers, like Eibach and H&R, are more even (get two and they will perform the same) which cannot be said about the real cheapos. Some manufacturers, like Öhlins, treat their springs to all kinds of stuff (heat, peening, nitrate or whatever) making them better still but to what price?

Personally I don't like progressive springs but that's me.

I'd go for as stiff springs as my shocks could handle. The harshness of a ride is far more related to the shocks than the spring rate and it is a common mistake to put on too weak springs and then compensating with setting up the dampers hard.

Factory springs are often very weak in order to provide maximum comfort while masking the poor performance of the shocks. The average price for a Volvo shock is about 10 USD and I suspect that goes for most car manufacturers (Porsche hopefully not included). Hmmm, I wonder why my kidneys are bleeding after lowering my car 1,5" with the SportySprings performance spring package for 29.99?

Most springs-only kits shoot for the stock spring rate time x about 1,5 or as most x 2. Having done no research about this for our cars I would suspect it to be about the same. A decent shock like the yellow should be able to handle much more than that, perhaps at least x 3, and that's what you should go for. Then set the shocks up soft for street.

For comparison, I replaced my front 600 springs with 800 since I thought of them being to soft and that I found myself running in the upper portion of the shock adjustment range all the time. The ride quality with the 600's is imo street car quality and not at all harsh as you'd might expect. I haven't tried the 800's yet so can't really say anything about them.
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#6

Thanks Fish.

I'm now strongly considering a 300lb spring with my Konis. In another post however I've read that the Konis shouldn't exceed 250.

Was this a personal preference remark or a safety concern?
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#7

300# is the absolute limit of a koni yellow sport on our car - beyond that and the fixed compression setting is insufficient (they only have adjustable rebound)

that spring rating is further decreased by heavy wheels, so keep that in mind too
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#8

I have the H&R lowering springs on my car, but I don't know what their rate is??? Anybody know what it is? The stock spring rate was 190lbs wasn't it?
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h&r has a reputation for sagging over time, but they are a good spring - eibach has better quality control, but does not make a progressive spring anymore (they used to and sold them through tech art)

i like progressive springs on street cars, but not on race cars (though if you really sort it out, they can work very well there too)

progressive springs give you some flexibility, and make up for limited shock control to some degree - they absorb the smaller bumps without getting into the shock so much, yet firm up when pushed - you have to be careful though about the range

whatever you do, make sure you balance the rate in the rear - this will be your limiting factor - too stiff up front without adding to the rear and you will make the car a mess

also look closely at any rear coilover - you MUST have a tender spring in addition to the helper or you will end up with preload added - without preload or a tender spring, the spring will fall loose when the wheel drops

stock rate up front is 160# - the H&R that most people run is 190-230, which is about as stiff as you can go without adding a rear helper
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#10

whatever you do, make sure you balance the rate in the rear - this will be your limiting factor

Max told me about a spring and a adjustable mount that works well with my Konis. This seems to be the safest route for me as he has installed them on multiple 68s w out issue. As he explained, they start with lowering the rear to where I want it then adjust the front accordingly.

??? I forgot to ask who makes the spring.

Max if your on. please chime in to prevent another phone call. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
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The best way to find out what a specific shock can or cannot handle is to contact the manufacturer.

Yes, you definitely need to look at the rear if upping the front springs. Perhaps upgrade to M030-style rear shock with support spring?
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#12

Get a set of 250's in front. The back will be near it's limit but will be fine.
Anything stiffer and you'll lose your fillings in Baltimore.
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