[lbpesq]

The local cheap gas just went down to $5.69 for regular, $6.09 for premium.   Welcome to California!

 

Bill

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[ds968]

   

 

$ 3 / gallon more than it was one week  ago .

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[94SilverCab]

Currently in Tampa, FL. The price of gas is currently $3.49ish...California price is just crazy!

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[Inkedupfatboy]

Just north of Titusville FL it was $3.79 this morning. 

Thanks to the Tangerine Tyrant.

We will see $5 a gallon before the end of the month .

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[Cloud9...68]

I'm California Dreaming of gas prices ever dropping back down to $5...  

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[ds968]

I'm California Dreaming of gas prices ever dropping back down to $5...  

 

At least you’re not in the UK …

 

   

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Today’s price at the gas station closest to my office in Irvine, CA  .   I read that England it’s about $ 10 a gallon ( USD conversion ) and in Netherlands $ about 12 a gallon same conversion ). Can someone here verify that ?

I only checked those two countries because I have a coworker who is traveling ( on business

<p style="font-size:28px;font-family:'system-ui';">) to England and Netherlands and he’s renting a car. It doesn’t matter because the company pays for his gas, but I was just curious to see what the cost costs are.  And someone posted on the maserati forum that Saudi Arabia, UAE ( particularly in Dubai ) Kuwait ,  gas prices hover around the equivalent of usd $ 10 a gallon .  How is that possible , if true ?! 

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[lbpesq]

Much of the nation's gas is made in, and shipped from, California.   Yet we have amongst the highest gas prices in the country!  Go figure.

 

Bill

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[ds968]

Much of the nation's gas is made in, and shipped from, California.   Yet we have amongst the highest gas prices in the country!  Go figure.

 

Bill

Wow, I could have sworn I read that Texas was first, and by far !    So I had to look this up : according to Forbes , in 2025  it was :

TX, NM, ND, CO, OK, AK, CA, WY , UT, LA, and OH.    Btw, Texas produces and sells nearly 20 X the volume CA does..   Tx sell 43% of all gas in the U.S. .   

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[Cloud9...68]

This seemed off to me, so I googled the states with the largest gasoline refining output (which I think is what ibpesq was referring to), and here's what it said:

 

Texas, Louisiana, and California dominate U.S. gasoline refining, holding over half of the nation's total capacity. Texas leads significantly, housing over one-quarter of the total U.S. production. These states, along with others along the Gulf Coast and Midwest, account for the vast majority of gasoline output. 
Top States by Refining Capacity

• <span>Texas: As the industry leader, Texas has the highest capacity, featuring major refineries in Beaumont, Port Arthur, and Baytown.</span>
  
• <span>Louisiana: Holds the second-highest capacity, with major facilities located along the Mississippi River, including Garyville and Baton Rouge.</span>
  
• <span>California: Ranks third, with major refineries supporting heavy demand, particularly in the Southern California and Bay Area regions.</span>
  

<p style="margin:0px 0px 12px;">California's gas prices are still crazy by any (at least domestic) measure.  I love California, and wouldn't live anywhere else under any circumstances, but this is one massively mismanaged state.  We have the most perfect, temperate climate in the country, and consequently should have the lowest energy prices, and yet we have among the highest.  PG&E is truly a criminal enterprise.  And don't get me started on the mind-boggling income and property taxes we pay, and the massive levels of fraud that are just starting to come to light.  And yet Californians keep voting in the same incompetent crooks.

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[ds968]

From FORBES , statistics of 2025  production and sale.   I give Forbes 100% credibility and historically they have been more accurate than almost any other source of information . 

 

   

 

But, CA has the third largest shale reserves ( both oil and gas ) .   Extremely expensive to mine and subject to a lot of environmental fighting , so not particularly helpful .

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[ds968]

100 % agree with this however :

 

“ California's gas prices are still crazy by any (at least domestic) measure.  I love California, and wouldn't live anywhere else under any circumstances, but this is one massively mismanaged state.  We have the most perfect, temperate climate in the country, and consequently should have the lowest energy prices, and yet we have among the highest.  PG&E is truly a criminal enterprise.  And don't get me started on the mind-boggling income and property taxes we pay, and the massive levels of fraud that are just starting to come to light.  “ 

 

And the government spending is obscene, completely out of control !! 

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[Rap]

The question mere mortals like myself ask is what is the problem? These politicians and their policies are the choices you made. It’s not like a sleight of hand pulled the wool over your eyes or you were mislead.

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[Cloud9...68]

The question mere mortals like myself ask is what is the problem? These politicians and their policies are the choices you made. It’s not like a sleight of hand pulled the wool over your eyes or you were mislead.

I don't disagree with your assessment, but the word "you" isn't entirely accurate.  I grew up here, left for my career, and moved back when I retired in 2024, so I can't take responsibility for the problems the state faces, many of which are actually exaggerated.  My biggest gripe is the cost of everything, and the fact that we don't seem to get any more for our massive expenditures in taxes, gas prices, insurance costs, fees, etc. than do residents of other states.  All we can do is vote for candidates going forward who seem to offer the best chances to improve things.  

 

But there is also the fact that California is a fantastic place to live.  It's beautiful, the weather is incredible, there's an unlimited variety of things to see and do in its incredibly varied terrain, it's still the world's hub of innovation in electronics, AI, biotech, etc., and it has about a dozen nice race tracks.  A Ferrari is also very expensive for the same reason - desirable things will always command a premium.

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[Rap]

Cloud it was of course a general you. California is a magnificent place to live. Pa has a legislature that is somewhat like our federal govt with neither party really controlling the legislature. I sometimes wonder if this works better than having one party control everything. Mind you I don’t think highly of politicians regardless of their affiliation.

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[ds968]

I don't disagree with your assessment, but the word "you" isn't entirely accurate.  I grew up here, left for my career, and moved back when I retired in 2024, so I can't take responsibility for the problems the state faces, many of which are actually exaggerated.  My biggest gripe is the cost of everything, and the fact that we don't seem to get any more for our massive expenditures in taxes, gas prices, insurance costs, fees, etc. than do residents of other states.  All we can do is vote for candidates going forward who seem to offer the best chances to improve things.  

 

But there is also the fact that California is a fantastic place to live.  It's beautiful, the weather is incredible, there's an unlimited variety of things to see and do in its incredibly varied terrain, it's still the world's hub of innovation in electronics, AI, biotech, etc., and it has about a dozen nice race tracks.  A Ferrari is also very expensive for the same reason - desirable things will always command a premium.

Amen to this !

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[Chris Vais]

A few things that impact fuel costs in California:

 

There are no inbound pipelines bringing gasoline into the State. We are a "fuel island" because our specialized, low-emission gasoline formula requires it to be refined within the state or shipped from foreign countries with refineries capable for producing low sulfur fuels.

 

California crude and much of what is imported is heavy or "sour crude" high in sulfur. Refineries in California are uniquely configured to refine heavy/sour crude  oil into gasoline and diesel that is low in sulfur as mandated by the California Air Resources Board. American refineries out side of California are not configured the same as refineries in California are.

 

All of this contributes to cost, a small price to pay for clean air especially if you lived her in the 60s and 70s and were breathing air that left you whizzing and with burning eyes.

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[Rap]

Aren’t your refineries closing or going off line?

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[Chris Vais]

yes some refineries are going off line or are reducing capacity. Phillips 66in Wilmington has closed and Valero's refinery in Benicia is reducing capacity due to decreasing demand and higher operating costs due to environmental  regulatory costs. EV use in the stated has resulted in a notable drop in demand. The challenging economics for refining due to specialized fuel blends the requires can be more economically produced elsewhere.

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