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Clutch, Flywheel & RMS Replacement
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This writeup was originally posted on my website 968turbo.com, but it may be easier to find here and its location won't change with my every website whim.



This write up is intended to be a supplement to the information you can find in the factory 968 manuals and in the 944 clutch change procedures available at http://www.tech-session.com/ or http://www.clarks-garage.com/ and other places. This is not a complete how-to (who knows what I have forgotten) but things I thought might be helpful to other 968 owners attempting the same job. I found the factory manual leaves out a lot of detail and does not even touch on the changing the flywheel or rear main seal, the 944 procedures don't directly apply either. I'm not a professional, so use this information at your own risk. Remember to be safe and have your car properly supported before getting under it.



       



First off, if you are just changing the clutch and pressure plate be thankful you have a 968 because it is simple when compared to what is involved in a 944 clutch job.



Here are the basic steps:



-Raise the car to a height where it is comfortable to be under there on a creeper, be extra sure the car will not fall on you even if the car falls off the jack stands.

-Disconnect the battery.

-Remove the under engine belly pan (you are later going need to turn the crank at the front of the engine)

-Remove the oxygen sensor from the exhaust pipe. It is on top of the pipe just to the rear of the starter.

-Remove the center section of the exhaust system. This is the section with the Cat and as such is a little heavy. I found it helpful to soak the 6 header to exhaust bolts with penetrating oil the night before. They broke free with no problem.

-Remove the starter. I placed it on box under the car so I did not have to remove the cables.

-The 968 manual mentions removing heat shields. My car did not have these and it didn’t look like it ever did.

-Remove the clutch access cover on the side of the bellhousing. You will need some socket extensions and universal joints to get at the top bolts. Once the cover is off you will see the pressure plate.

-Loosen the release fork shaft retaining bolt, which is just above the starter mount on the bellhousing.

-Remove the release fork shaft. This is described well in the 944 procedures. I threaded one of the old exhaust bolts in and attached vise-grips to the bolt. You really need to hammer on the vise grips and the shaft will slowly come out. Using a longer bolt may help. You can leave the release fork loose in the bellhousing until the clutch is out.

-Remove the small rubber plug on the torque tube just aft of the bellhousing.

-Get a socket on the crank at the front of the engine and rotate until you see the allen bolt thru the hole in the torque tube.

-With an 8mm allen, remove this bolt. I tried just loosening it but I couldn't slide the front piece of the drive shaft back far enough until I completely removed this bolt.

-The 968 has a two-piece driveshaft. The small front portion will slide back over the splines of the rear portion. I used a screwdriver thru the allen hole in torque tube to push the front shaft back and out of the clutch plate. Once it is out of the clutch it can be slid farther back by hand. It will slide all the way back until it is clear of the clutch guide sleeve.

-Remove the two small bolts securing the guide sleeve.

-Mark the relationship between the flywheel and pressure plate so that it can later be reassembled in the same configuration.

-Evenly loosen the nine bolts holding the pressure plate to the flywheel. You will need an 8mm cheesehead or "triple-square" socket to get these out. (This is the same tool that is used on the CV joints.) You will only be able to reach two or three bolts at a time. Rotate the crank and work your way around until you get them all. Then, do it again as you remove the bolts.

-The clutch plate, pressure plate and guide sleeve should now slide out the side of the bellhousing. The release fork also comes out at this time.

-Inspect the flywheel surface for scoring or wear. If there are any issues this is the time to remove it and have it surfaced. Mine looked fine but I wanted to try a lighter weight flywheel, so out it came.

-If you are leaving the flywheel in, replace the pilot bearing in the flywheel. Again, this is described in the 944 procedures. I installed a new bearing in the new flywheel while it was out of the car.

-Replace the needle bearings in release fork. I used a socket and hammer to drive out the old bearings. I used a vise to press the new bearings in. I had no problems with this step.



       



Now if you are going to remove the flywheel and rear main seal, this is where you wish you had a 944 and the whole bellhousing was out of your way. These steps caused me the most pain. If you are just doing the clutch you can skip ahead. If you are taking out the flywheel it is also a good opportunity to replace the rear main seal on the crank. I replaced the 27 lb. dual mass flywheel with an 11 lb. Fidanza aluminum flywheel purchased through Paragon Products. I also went with the Sachs sport clutch, which has a pressure plate with a higher clamping force.



Be sure to buy a good quality 12mm 12 point cheesehead or 'triple square' allen to remove the flywheel bolts. Buy one without the socket attached or make sure it is very short. I first bought one from the local NAPA store. It was too long when used with a socket wrench so I used a dremel tool to cut off a couple of inches the allen shaft. The guide sleeve mounting brackets are very close to the flywheel. As such, there is only enough room to get at one bolt at a time. You will also need a flywheel lock to secure the flywheel so you can break the bolts free. The procedure is like this: install flywheel lock, break free the one bolt you can reach, remove the flywheel lock, turn the crank a little, reinstall the flywheel lock and do the next bolt.



This worked great for 8 of the 9 bolts. Of course one of them stripped. You want to be double sure the allen is fully inserted into the bolt head and that your breaker bar is square with the bolt. The points on the NAPA tool wore down which caused the head on the bolt to strip. I later purchased the Snap-On version which is made of much harder steel (and of course is much more expensive). I should have done that in the first place. I also had to cut off a couple inches of the Snap-On tool. Now, how to get the stripped bolt off? I first tried putting flats onto the sides of the bolt with the dremel tool and using vice grips. That didn’t work. I thought I was going to have to drill the head off, but Bob Villa saved the day. I bought a 'Bolt Out' kit from Sears, which removes stripped bolts. The 'Bolt Out' socket grabbed on the head and the bolt came right out. Whew. Use a screwdriver and carefully pry the flywheel off the alignment pin. Be careful as the flywheel is heavy - so be ready to 'catch' it.



Next was the rear main crankshaft seal. Mine wasn’t leaking but I wanted to change it since I was all the way in there. There is a slot in the block at the bottom of the seal. This is where you can insert a screwdriver and pry the seal out. The problem is only a very short screwdriver can get a straight angle on the slot because the bellhousing is in the way. So you have to go at it on an angle. I had very little success getting any leverage against the seal. I also tried seal picks but the seal wouldn’t budge. It is in there tight. You also have to be careful not the mar the block or the crank as it can lead to future oil leaks. I finally bought a really long stiff screwdriver from Sears. At the slot in the block, I used a hammer to punch the screwdriver through the metal ring of the seal, careful not to go all the way thru to the crank. I then forcefully pried the seal out with the screwdriver. There may be a proper tool for this job but I don’t know what it is.



       



Putting the new seal in proved to be a challenge as well. The seal needs to be evenly driven in and seated, but there is no room to use a hammer on a driver - even if you had a proper 944 seal setting tool. I ended up making my own tool, which is basically a small press. It is made out of a 6" bolt, washers, nuts, two 4"x4"x1/4" steel plates and a section of a 3" PVC plumbing connection. The PVC was not quite the right diameter so I cut it and inserted a nut to slightly increase the diameter. Again, there may be a real tool for this but I don’t know about it and one is not mentioned in the 968 manuals. The press attaches to the guide sleeve mount and the other end of the bolt goes into the recess at the end of the crank. I then used an open-ended wrench to slowly turn the nut and push the steel plate against the PVC against the seal. It worked great. I was really stumped before I thought of it.



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The new flywheel would not slide onto the pin by hand. Luckily, I could just reuse the press with a shorter bolt and no PVC piece to push the flywheel on to the crank pin. The new flywheel bolts can now be hand tightened. Use the flywheel lock and a torque wrench to tighten the bolts - evenly working your way around in a similar fashion as used when loosening the bolts.



       



If you are just doing the clutch you can start reading again here.



-Attach the new release bearing to the new pressure plate. This is easy and is also described in the 944 procedures. Use your old pressure plate as an example.

-Loosely place the release fork in the bellhousing. You won’t be able to fit it in later.

-Place the clutch plate, pressure plate and guide sleeve together in the same configuration as they came out of the car. Use the proper lube on the splines.

-Check your markings on the flywheel and old pressure plate and align the new pressure plate with the flywheel in the same configuration.

-Hand tighten the 9 pressure plates bolts. Be sure to use new hardware.

-Re-attach the guide sleeve to the brackets with the two small bolts.

-Slide the front piece of the drive shaft into the clutch. You may have to wiggle it a bit. A clutch alignment tool would normally be used before this step, but there is no room for it since the driveshaft and bellhousing are right there. Once the splines are aligned you can use a screwdriver to pry the driveshaft forward. You do this thru the hole in the bottom of the torque tube.

-Rotate the crank until the allen bolt can be reinserted into front drive shaft piece. Visually inspect the hole before inserting the bolt. If you can see the splines of the rear drive shaft piece the front drive shaft has not been pushed far enough forward.

-Evenly torque down the pressure plate bolts.

-Align the release fork on the release bearing and clutch slave cylinder.

-Re-insert the release fork shaft and make sure the release fork moves freely.

-Tighten the release fork retaining bolt onto the flat section of the shaft.

-Re-attach the bellhousing cover

-Re-install the starter

-Re-install the exhaust and oxygen sensor

-Re-install belly pan

-Connect the battery

-Take the car off the stands



You’re done! A lot of these steps may not be clear until you actually do the job. I could probably redo this job in ¼ the time if I had to do it again. The clutch portion was relatively easy. The flywheel and seal were a challenge. You may have better luck.
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#2

I assume this was Sachs kit KF793-02, how do you like it? I can't find much info on this kit but would it be usable on the street?
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I'm unsure of the part number. It was the 'sport' kit as ordered from Paragon. The disc is the same but pressure plate has more clamping force. It is very streetable and did not add a lot of pedal effort or change the clutch behavior much. At least for me. The fidanza flywheel makes the most change and its streetability depends on your tolerance for gearbox rattle.
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[quote name='Eric_K' date='Jul 4 2006, 02:28 PM']I'm unsure of the part number. It was the 'sport' kit as ordered from Paragon. The disc is the same but pressure plate has more clamping force. It is very streetable and did not add a lot of pedal effort or change the clutch behavior much. At least for me. The fidanza flywheel makes the most change and its streetability depends on your tolerance for gearbox rattle.

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Thanks Eric, I have an unplanned flywheel and clutch replacement and found a decent price on that clutch kit. I think I'll skip the fidanza as I've heard it's great when running through the gears but a problem at idle and low RPM.
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#5

not really a "problem", but it can be noisy, and does require that you pay more attention to your shifts, and take offs



i love mine (except for the rattle), but i would not put one in a daily driver - it really is more for a toy
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#6

Eric BTW thanks for your post here, it's been helpful with my clutch job.
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[quote name='Eric_K' date='Jul 4 2006, 09:28 PM']I'm unsure of the part number. It was the 'sport' kit as ordered from Paragon. The disc is the same but pressure plate has more clamping force. It is very streetable and did not add a lot of pedal effort or change the clutch behavior much. At least for me. The fidanza flywheel makes the most change and its streetability depends on your tolerance for gearbox rattle.

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Have Fidanza installed. It feels great. No problem with stall on idle and driving in town traffic. No problems with rattle and noise. Love it.

Bo
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#8

For future readers of this thread, Johann found the proper tool for installing the RMS, P234.

http://www.968forums.com/index.php?showtopic=7583&hl=
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#9

I'm having problems removing the fork shaft. It is jammed solid. Does anyone have any tips on how to remove it? I'm worried I might break something as I've tried various M8 bolts and vise grips but it will not budge. My next option was to try and fabricate a slide hammer with a long bolt.

In the meantime, if any one has any ideas please let me know.
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#10

try tapping it inward to crack it loose

it is possible that the shaft has become worn, or the bearing is toast and there is resultant interference - in that event, i would recommend grabbing the fork and wiggling it while trying to remove the shaft, so as to try to align everything as you pull it out
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#11

that shaft is always a pain to remove. i ended up making a little slide hammer with a 5 lb weight. soak what you can with penetrating oil, then attach the slide hammer. that did the trick for me!
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It came out!!!!

It took an entire day and a lot of sweat. I ended up welding two five inch M8 bolts together. I gripped the bottom with a pair of vise grips and belted hell out of it for a couple of hours with a 5lb lump hammer. I also used a pencil flame torch to heat up the alloy casing. It gradually started to move 1/2 mm at a time.

When it finally came out, the shaft was quite corroded on the surface. Before I reassemble it I will clean both the shaft and casing with emery and reassemble with lubri-plate grease.
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replace that bearing in the fork and lube with heavy grease (preferably moly)
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I you can see any markings on the shaft left behind by the needle bearings, I would suggest replacing the shaft as well.A new shaft isn't expensive and will give you a smoother pedal feel.
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I couldn't find the Snap-On 12 mm triple-square driver locally, so I had to order it. Sigh... This will set my project back about a week. Oh, well, I'll have the installation of the back-up sensors on my daughter's 04 BMW 325i to keep me busy in the meantime.



For anyone else who're planning to do a clutch replacement/flywheel removal/rear main seal replacement anytime soon, the Snap-On part number is STSM12SE. The tool costs $27.50, plus a little over $2 tax. The shipping is free for standard ground delivery (2nd day air is a whopping $16.25). The driver is a total of 59.4 mm long, which should work, because there is a little over 3-1/2" between the heads of the flywheel bolts and the tip of the front drive shaft.
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I got my Snap-On triple square driver today, and took a crack at removing one of the flywheel bolts, but I think my breaker bar is too short to generate enough torque. It's about 17" long, and there's easily room underneath the car for a 2' bar. I think I'm going to try a longer bar, as I'm afraid I'm likely to strip the bolts while squirming to generate enough torque with the breaker bar I have.
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"I you can see any markings on the shaft left behind by the needle bearings, I would suggest replacing the shaft as well.A new shaft isn't expensive and will give you a smoother pedal feel."



Once I wiped the grease off of mine, I could clearly see significant score marks (more like gouges) on the release fork shaft. I'll try to post pictures soon. The gouges go about 3/4 of the way around the shaft, so they're uneven. I definitely need to replace the shaft; I wish I had taken a closer look at it before placing my order with Pelican yesterday; a new shaft is only $34. I'll add it to my next order, which will probably be for the rod bearings, once I confirm what size I need. The new shaft will probably improve the feel of the clutch operation, as Johann says.
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I'm working on removing the flywheel bolts, and no way, Jose. I'm following all the recommended procedures - I bought a top quality Snap-On triple-square driver, cleaned out the heads of all the bolts with brake cleaner and Q-tips, sprayed a bunch of PB Blaster penetrating fluid all over the bolts a few days before my triple-square diver arrived, was very careful about positioning the accessible bolt to provide maximum room to turn the breaker bar prior to applying the flywheel lock, and am holding the driver perpendicular to the bolt, pushing on it with one hand, while turning the breaker bar with the other. When I first started turning this first bolt, I heard a satisfying "pop", signifying that the bolt had apparently broken free of its 19-year grip on the thread, but as I continue turning, the driver just isn't gripping the head of the bolt sufficiently to allow the bolt to turn. I haven't completely stripped the bolt yet, but it's right on the verge. The head of the bolt where the driver fits into the 12-point star pattern is so damn shallow that I don't see how under the best of circumstances the driver could produce enough grip to extract one of these extremely tight bolts.



Is there anything else I should try before buying the Sears Bolt-out kit the Eric_K recommends? Does applying heat from a heat gun help? I'm assuming the bolt and the thread are made of similar alloys, so I don't see how heating the bolt would help, but I'm willing to try anything. Oh, well, this must be payback for how easy it was to pull out the release fork shaft. Thanks.
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just tried calling you - ring me up - you've got my number
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Aha! Success! Well, mostly, anyway. With Flash's helpful advice, I've managed to remove eight of the nine flywheel bolts. Here's what I've learned going through this procedure:



1. The star patterns inside the bolts' heads are alarmingly shallow, maybe 1/4", and the part where the trhple-square driver is supposed to seat is significantly tapered, so there is a disconcerting amount of slop in the fit of the driver in the bolt head. Flash's suggestion to rap on the driver before turning it to better seat the driver was right on - I think this is what made the difference in my case. I used another heavy breaker bar to smack the bar I was using when the driver was on the bolt to improve the seating of the driver, plus I think it helped loosen the loctite. There are several inches in there to wind up and smack the head of the breaker bar, so I was able to rap it pretty hard.



2. I found it helpful to angle the bar at something less than 90 degrees. I'm not talking about the angle of the driver relative to the bolt - it's critical to keep this as close to 90 degrees as possible - I'm referring to the angle of the bar relative to the face of the flywheel. I found that moving the bar a little closer to the flywheel improved my ability to keep pressure on the bolts as I was turning them.



3. On all but one or two of the bolts, I heard a solid "Pop!" when I first turned the breaker bar, which I think was the loctite breaking loose. However, I was amazed at how much I had to turn the bolts after the inital pop before they bacame relatively easy to turn. They must be seriously stretched.



4. In Flash's experiences, the bolts gave way very suddenly, endangering knuckles and fingers. This wasn't the case with mine at all. As I said in 3), it took a lot of slow, high-force twisting to get the bolts to slowly turn - there was never any sudden break-away of any of them in my case.



As far as my one remaining bolt, I guess I was starting to get a little complacent, and on bolt #6, I must not have seated the driver quite well enough, and it gave way before I was able to loosen the bolt. I can tell I did some damage to the star pattern of this bolt, but I think there is enough of it left to grab with the driver. My plan is to see if I can wedge something between the head of the breaker bar, and the fixturing for the throwout bearing, to maintain a lot of pressure on the head of the driver to the bolt while I'm turning. I was originally thinking of a slightly tapered block of wood, but I wonder if, silly as it may sound, a racquetball might not just fit in there. I'll give it a try tonight, but I might have to go out and buy a racquetball first.



I have a question about the reinstallation - what type of loctite should I use on the flywheel bolts? Whatever it is, it needs to not be very fast-drying, because it is going to take at least an hour to tighen the bolts in a cross-pattern, one bolt at a time, turning the engine and un-bolting and re-bolting the flywheel lock each time, in two stages, as recommeneded by the manual. Thanks.
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