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Do you like it? Tell me about it... I'm thinking of getting one but I need some actual customer info before I'd buy one...

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[RPM]

A search here and on .net will give a broad variety of opinion (and that is one of the great understatements of the centure so far).



I know that Damian on .net is running one and is very happy with it.

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[sasilverbullet]

What is .net?

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[BruceWard]

I believe 968.net was the first forum for 968 discussion.



Here are some links to threads on the Promax chip



http://65.61.16.109/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10116



http://65.61.16.109/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9573



http://65.61.16.109/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10114



Main index of the forum is at http://65.61.16.109/forum/default.asp



and other content is located at http://www.968.net



The Promax Chip comes from the UK and is loved amongst the Brits. A problem with throwing the check engine lights occurred when the UK version was used in US cars. That issue has now been resolved.

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[RPM]

Beware! The level of animosity on some of these threads can get pretty high.



As an overview, it seems that 968ers are equally happy with the PROMAX and Speed 6 chips. Both offer similar performance gains (discussion of which accounts for much of the disagreement) and reliability. The also are similarly priced. The rep (Andrew as I recall) from PROMAX is very helpful and responsive. Bob Larson (Flash) is a passionate defender of the Speed 6 chip after he personally conducted a chip test for 9Magazine. His test of several chips did not include the PROMAX.



Bottom line - Both the PROMAX and Speed 6 chips seem to provide a fairly inexpensive real performance boost. I have been meaning to buy a PROMAX (I've always been an Anglophile!) but just have not gotten around to it. Since I am putting a new battery in the car tonight and had to do the clutch master and slave cylinders and a hydraulic line last weekend it may be some time before my wife gives me any more garage money.



Hope this helps.

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[flash]

actually, all of my tests included the promax - the first one threw a warning light because they didn;t take into account the US emmisions stuff, and hadn't tested it on a US car before marketing it here - then they worked out that problem wih the light, and the last test was specifically designed and set up to test both of the new versions of the promax, which actually lost a little bit of power from the first version, though only at the bottom, and not enough to be an issue - the results are posted here



the promax came in second



i am not a defender of the racer x chip as much as i am just posting and explaining the data - the extra 5-7 hp at the top end is something that i personally use on a regular basis - some people don't feel that it is of issue, because they don't rev their cars there - i do - for me, the extra little bit means a snappier exit from corners



all that being said, they are very close, essentially the same, all the way up to about 6500, but yes, there is a best and a second best - in fact, all of the major brand chips work well - they do fall into rankings though - there is also a lot of discussion about redline - promax makes a chip with a a lower redline, if that is a concern to you



the curves and specs are on threads here - they compare one chip to another



look, read, and decide, but most of all, enjoy

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[RPM]

Oops! I've been saying Speed Six (probably some old Ruger .357 flashback) - did I mean Racer X?

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[flash]

no worries



the Racer X chip is sold by retailer Speed 6 - Promax sells their own directly

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[RPM]

Good to know my mind is not completely gone..



But then of course the internet is just not good for compulsive people. I must have spent 2 hours this afternoon looking at old Rugers.

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[flash]

i'm a colt man myself - actually trying to find a decent smith here in l.a. right now - i want to add an off-hand safety to my gold cup master model 80



by the way though, i have a ruger 357 revolver too - parked it up at the ranch - good for scaring burglers - adds a whole new meaning to "big bang theory"

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[RPM]

I used to be such a gun nut. I could passionately argue the .45 side of the .45 v. 9mm fight, single action v. double action autos, etc. Then I went to war a couple of times. I learned two things: 1. when you have 14 120mm smoothbore cannons and a whole bunch of machine guns under your command your pistol caliber is somewhat inconsequential (this has changed recently for armor guys - a buddy is commanding a tank battalion in Iraq right now and they left their tanks at Ft. Carson and drew M-4 carbines) and 2. guns are less fun after you have to actually use them.



Having said that, in the past few years I have picked up a few rifles; a Garand and a Czech made K-98, and have seriously thought about buying a CZ-75. I had one in the late 80s and it was as sweet as a handgun gets.



My Gold Cup always lost it's front sight after about 50 rounds. Was a nice gun though - very tight.



This is clearly a late Saturday night, margarita-influenced, post of no relevance to the original question. My apologies to the chef.

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[flash]

love to chat with you about this offline - especially the front sight issue - haven't had that one, but i have mullets



and we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming

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[ds968]

[quote name='flash' date='Jul 9 2005, 06:47 PM']i'm a colt man myself - actually trying to find a decent smith here in l.a. right now - i want to add an off-hand safety to my gold cup master model 80

by the way though, i have a ruger 357 revolver too - parked it up at the ranch - good for scaring burglers - adds a whole new meaning to "big bang theory"

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And who can blame you, living in the crime-ridden slums / housing projects of Pacific Palisades ?! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Besides, it's also a 968 car jacking deterrent

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[rustech]

[quote name='RPM' date='Jul 9 2005, 06:57 PM']My Gold Cup always lost it's front sight after about 50 rounds. Was a nice gun though - very tight.

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IIRC, they sell a steel pin to replace the stainless one that always sheers off. Those gold cups can't take the heavy repetitions without a few modifications.

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[Harvey]

I don't put much stock in just the Seat of the Pants reviews of aftermarket chips. A dyno test is also important to me. Additionally, some chips perform well at the low end and others better at the high end so it may depend on how and where you want to drive your car. I'm waiting to chip my 968 when I see more hard data.



BTW, anyone who owns a nice 968 probably needs a sidearm to protect it. I prefer the ParaOrdnance .45. Then again, I live in Idaho and some of the people are wilder than the animals.



A close friend found a live (and testy) bull moose under his porch deck this week ( picture attached) I encouraged him to lasso it but he chickened. Would make for an interesting video. Maybe I should drive my 968, remove the sun roof, and have him try lassoing it from my car? But, alas, no bumper to tie it off on. That would make a GREAT video. On second thought, how about we use YOUR car? We call him Marvin. He appears to not like any Porsche.



Harvey

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[Greimann]

[quote name='Harvey' date='Jul 12 2005, 07:31 AM']I don't put much stock in just the Seat of the Pants reviews of aftermarket chips.  A dyno test is also important to me.  Additionally, some chips perform well at the low end and others better at the high end so it may depend on how and where you want to drive your car.  I'm waiting to chip my 968 when I see more hard data. 

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Harvey, you have seen these results yes? http://www.968forums.com/index.php?showtopic=867

I believe all the data that will ever be generated is out there now. Flash put tons of time into all this. Between this and the chip shootout article in 9-Magazine (not a gun reference <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> ) The data is there.

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[flash]

harvey - the data is everywhere - check out the article - check out the threads here - dyno charts on on this site



another thing to consider:



Speed 6 (retailer of the Racer X) offers a "no questions asked" return policy - so far, nobody has ever returned a chip



if promax will do the same thing, then you buy both chips and try it for yourself, and return the one you didn't like - you'll find the same thing i did - a bit more at the top with Racer X, resulting in a bit more snap out of the corner if you rev it up there



also, the price is about to go up to 179 - they offered a group buy of 159, but that is going to end any time now - you know the old saying "you get what you pay for"

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[SANDOVAL]

I think someone said it earlier in this thread or one of the others. The chips are going to react differently in every car. There are so many variables to consider. The charts don't lie and both chips were so close that it is a wash. You probably won't feel the seat of the pants difference between the two chips... With that said I would support our sponsor <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> It sounds like Flash's ass is just more sensetive then others... lol j/k





BTW for the first time since the site was started I have had to increase my Bandwidth!!! Even though this costs me money I think it is a great mile stone.

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[flash]

i don't see why they would really react appreciably differently, in comparison to each other, in a different car - each car will have different results to be sure, but the variance between chips within the same car would likely be consistent



and to be clear, we are only talking about the high rev version - there is a HUGE difference in noticeable useable power in the low rev version, so that is an entirely different conversation - this engine comes alive over 6k, and with the low rev version, you're done before you even get to start - the fear of over rev seems to be real for some - that's fine - the low rev version gives a nice boost without raising that as an issue - this may be a desireable compromise for some



yes, seat of the pants would only be noticed at the very top end - the extra 2% of power available above 6500 rpm is only going to be a small bit of zing - it's like running a higher octane fuel - it's not a big difference, but it's there - it's more of a thing that you would have to measure in time, and not so much a feel thing



but, if promax will offer the same return policy, taste and compare for yourself - i did on both the dyno and on the street - i noticed the diffference, but my car spends a fair amount of time over 6500, so i'm paying attention - maybe you will - maybe you won't



they both work well - either one will be fun - it's really all about you, your needs, your wallet, and your desire for every last little bit to be had - personally, i want it all

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[Harvey]

I'm still getting used to 4 cylinders instead of the 8 in my 928 so I was thinking a low rev chip would be the trick to get some "jump" going off the line and up to about 80mph. However, you're right in that revs make the difference. On the track in the 928 I'm always in 3rd or 4th gear...4k-6k rpms about. I've not had the 968 on the track so it does seem that the high rev chip might be the way to go. Hummmmm....something to ponder. Decisions...decisions.



I chipped the 928 and I didn't notice a great deal of difference but I'm glad I did it. I've not chipped my Audi Quattro TT turbo 6-speed but it revs from one gear to the next that I'm not too good at hitting the shifts like I want to. Revs are everything in that car. The Porsches are 5 times the car. I only have the TT because the wife likes it. She also loves the 968....comfort!!!



Harvey

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