[MCL968]

All that you really need to know is the value of the resistor. The diode is just a diode and the rest of the architecture is standard relay. If someone has one and they could pop the cover off and take some closeup shots, it would be pretty easy to adapt a standard relay to those specs.

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[vliegwielolaf1234]

No need for the relay anymore .

There is no wiring , the black plastic parts are there , but not the white part where the relay plugs into  .

SO basicly it is missing completly .

Is a 92 row car , so my guess all the european cars .

 

Still  thinking off using my fog lights as daytime lights .

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[Waylander]

Follow the reenlist article and use the bridge relay in the central electrics

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[az968]

Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to have to do for the solution.  That relay is just no longer reasonable to obtain for the value gained. I didn't want to do any wire-arounds but this wouldn't be hard to remove if it turns out Flash is right and I can't afford the traffic tickets   Thanks for all the helpful comments and suggestions.  Maybe someday Porsche will see fit to reproduce this relay, esp. since later model and Canadian cars came with this relay.

 

Anyone in Europe want to order the relay, it appears Teile has one left.  Maciej had to hunt around to find it.

 

Off to cobble up a relay in the next couple days.

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[wildcat]

Look at the pictures posted by Eezatoy about, that is the relay.  you can check the pins by looking at the relay marked "53" in the main engine compartment relay panel, that fits in the socket under the instrument panel.  I'm trying to find the scematic of the relay but no luck yet. Asked my local dealership to see if they could get.  You're right, can't be that hard to make one.  Lots of room for height in the the socket, just need to keep the same footprint.

 

You'll note the socket is a generic socket which has a configuration which allows for many different relays to be plugged in.  And just to substantiate that mine too has a 53 I add this rather fuzzy picture.  I am not familiar with your machine but mine is a '93 cab tiptronic. That may have something to do with it. Each year they made the car they modified something or other and that accounts for many of the differences of otherwise similar machines.

 

The wire going into the 53 is labeled 26, the wire going into the "gong" is 25.  There is another relay assembly with a single relay next to it. I don't know what it does either. 

 

   

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[az968]

Mine in a 93 coupe with a manual, I'll go check the wires to the relays and let you know how they are labeled, the wiring diagram will probably give us a clue. Later noe: my wires are make the same, 26 goes to the 53 relay and 25 goes to the gong.

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[vliegwielolaf1234]

Fixed it , this wire is all what is needed for a european car , switches of with key , only thing not allowd here is to run them together with high beam , wich is possible now .

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just don't like the looks of the wire .

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[az968]

That looks like the modified relay solution, The red wire would be to add a fuse to the mod. The relay you pulled out to show would have had the "SPADE" removed where the wire comes from.

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[flash]

i still don't get the "why" anybody would want those things on.  somebody is going to have to explain that to me some day.

 

by the way, prepare to buy a bunch of bulbs.  they don't last long when they are on all the time, and if you have a burned out bulb, which is also another reason to get pulled over by a bored cop, just like a missing front plate (i'm constantly worried about that one in certain cities where they look for that sort of thing).

 

hopefully this does not engage the tail lights, which during daylight would be dangerous, as the differentiation between tail lights and brake lights is lessened, making it that much more likely that somebody will not see them, and slam into you from behind.

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[Kim]

The proper relay in to turn on the daytime running lights does NOT engage the dash lights or the tail lights, only the fog lights (not the high beam lights either).  I had two cars, one a 92 cab that was Canadian and came with the relay, the other a 92 US car for which I bought the relay and just plugged it in. As soon as the headlights are turned on the fog lights go out unless activated by the switch.

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[Waylander]

in some places like Canada and Europe its now a legal requirement to have them,

 

I personally don't see what wrong with them, anything that helps blind fools see me has to be a bonus, and for long bulb life just swap to CREE or COB LED in the fogs.

 

I don't hear any complaints about High Level or third brake lights for the very same reason they help stop blind spanners modifying the rear of the car.

 

the 3rd brake light was not required in the UK so they are almost impossible to find and half the parts to do the conversion are now NLA.

 

So i found a cheap stick on LED one that sort of does the job

 



 

Needs just a little more angle so i have to fabricate a little bit of plastic to resolve the issue

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[vliegwielolaf1234]

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The opend up relay , not really a relay if you ask me , just a connector .

That looks like the modified relay solution, The red wire would be to add a fuse to the mod. The relay you pulled out to show would have had the "SPADE" removed where the wire comes from.

No need to take off the spade and put it back in it's place , the wire allready puts power on the switch for the fog light's .

I am thinking i'll have to get one of those switching things they use on a aftermarket daylight kits  , i can connect it with the spot where the nr 2 spade was connected and connect the red wire to the other end of the relay , then it will turn of de fog lights when i turn on the normal driving lights .

Downside i wil mot be able to use the fog lights with the norml light's on.

 

Need to think about that one , can't remember i ever had need for the fog light's   

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[Waylander]

I seem to recall reading there are 8 different versions of the bridge relay thing

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[wildcat]

I don't hear any complaints about High Level or third brake lights for the very same reason they help stop blind spanners modifying the rear of the car.

 

the 3rd brake light was not required in the UK so they are almost impossible to find and half the parts to do the conversion are now NLA.

 

So i found a cheap stick on LED one that sort of does the job

 

 

Just so you know, the 3rd brake light in U.S. based cars comes off a Corvette of the same years. They're not all that easy to find used but they're available.

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[wildcat]

Need to think about that one , can't remember i ever had need for the fog light's   

If you've ever driven in the Fog with clear lens you know they're next to useless.  Fog lights have amber lens, an amber bulb might suffice but I rather doubt it. 

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[Waylander]

Just so you know, the 3rd brake light in U.S. based cars comes off a Corvette of the same years. They're not all that easy to find used but they're available.

It's part of the lower deck spoiler on the 968, the parts that are available add up to nearly $800, stick on solution works for me

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[Kim]

"Downside i wil not be able to use the fog lights with the norml light's on."

 

On my car as soon as the headlights were turned on via the switch the fog light operation returned to normal (that is, they were off unless I manually turned them on, and they turned off if the high beams were on).

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[wildcat]

It's part of the lower deck spoiler on the 968, the parts that are available add up to nearly $800, stick on solution works for me

Ah yes sorry, I've got the Cab and its the convertible Corvette it gets its 3rd brake light from.

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[wildcat]

Having been inspired by the picture of the bridge, I thought I'd give it a shot. In his picture, the internal jumper is 2 and 9.  The European version.  The American/Japan version is 3 and 4 to 9 each with a diode facing 9. You can see it on the outside schematic. They're easy to take apart with a small jewelers screwdriver, two little plastics tabs, pry one back and the plate holding the bayonet connectors pops out. I tried the jumper and concluded that alone the two lights don't produce enough light to warrant the "fix". So I've left it as is. The lights to my mind, are more like driving lights, a supplement to the headlights for added light in the foreground. 

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[flash]

this all reminds me that i have a brand new set of amber fog/driving lights, still in the boxes, that i have not installed yet

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