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2 ABS questions
#21

okee dokee.  when the relays get here, i will start messing with this again.

 

in the meantime, i already cleaned up the interior, cleaned up and waxed the engine bay, inspected the car, and tuned the stereo.  jeez this thing is clean.  once i get the abs thing fixed, she gets a fresh coat of wax and she's good to go.  everything else has just been done.

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#22

i guess i can put the car on stands, disconnect the sensor, and test those contacts. that might tell me if i am getting voltage to the sensor, which would then eliminate the relay and converter.


Flash. The sensors are producing voltage... they are producing a wave/square or a sinus diagram. So if you measure a voltage as described then you have working sensors and is the wiring ok from the sensor to the abs module.
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#23

If that step is done. Or before you can control the 12 volt supply to the abs module. If you measure at the module 12volt than the relays are in working order and is the wiring coming from the fusebox to the module good.


If als of this is oke. Than there is an other problem. You do not have to check the wiring from the abs module to the instrumentcluster. This because the tree ! is on means it functions well.
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#24

There are no earths on the sensors they are a pulse wave closed circuit


The values for the abs plug connections are correct they are not for the wear sensors


I had lots of issues with my abs when I got my 968 and it was a seized pump in the end that was the issue, the pump I rebuilt using parts from a Mercedes 190e pump, they are exactly the same except the brake pipes come out of the valve block in a different direction


I have tested and repaired 5 different 968's with abs issues so I do have some idea of how it works
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#25

unless i am missing something, there are not 4 sensors in the abs system, so i fail to understand how those pin callouts are correct.  the only sensors that are at all 4 corners are brake wear sensors.

 

again, because the speed sensor is what showed up, and the speedometer is not working, i do not think it is related at all to the abs system itself, but rather the things the two systems have in common.

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#26

Abs sensors are mounted on the four wheels... they are inside situated at the bearings...
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#27

sure enough, they are there. i do not think the problem is there though.  because it is both the speedo and the anti-lock, it is likely either the speed sensor, or one of the relays.  i think the relays from the blue car arrive friday.

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#28

The speedo gets its signal from the drivers side abs sensor


There are sensors on all four wheels,


I am starting to sense that you think I have no idea what I'm talking about so I will leave you to your own conclusions and to work it out for yourself


As advice or help is being rejected


Good luck
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#29

Are others amazed at this site as i am that Flash did not know how to fix anything on the car. From reading all the posts I was sure Flash knew how to fix the entire car. Just shows you how important this site is. no matter how much we know we do not know everything.
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#30

didn't say that at all.  just staying focused on the issue at hand.  i am not inclined to go searching for a problem in an area that is not showing symptoms.  i do not think this is related to the abs system directly.  i think this is only related to the abs system in that there might be shared components at play with the speedometer.

 

keep in mind that this car is extremely clean, and only has a bit less than 28k miles on it.  the likelihood of an abs issue is extremely minimal.  it is far more likely that it is a relay.

 

as for not knowing how to fix something, i just forgot which wheel the speed sensor was on, and didn't want to go removing them all to find it.  it has been over a year since i had to work on a 968 at all, and a lot longer than that since i had to have a brake rotor off to expose any sensors.  i was being lazy.  the only thing i don't know how to do is test the relays here, other than swapping them out, which was not immediately available, as i don't have a second car here anymore.  i was hoping somebody knew which pins to short, so i could disconnect the relay, short the pins, and then see if it worked.

 

the one thing i do find puzzling is that clearly there is a fault in the system, yet it does not pop a fault code on either a blink test or on the durametric.  that seems to be at odds with itself, since it does provide those faults.  it can test the speed sensor, and throw a code if it is faulty, but it cannot seem to test the current path to that sensor if it is something other than the sensor.  it can trigger an antilock warning light, but not tell you which component is at fault.  but, it can tell you about an individual fuel injector.  lame.

 

as for not being grateful, that is not the case.  however, people on this site often tend to run off on a tangent when they read something.  somebody reads "abs" and then draws a connection to the abs pump.  i understand that anecdotal conclusions are common, and that differential diagnostic skills are not, and i have no issue with that, as sometimes it will bring up something not otherwise immediately thought of.  however, in this particular case, i think it is important to stay focused on the symptoms, and their likely cause.

 

the speedometer ceased working abruptly.  

the antilock light came on simultaneously.

the durametric showed a speed sensor fault (19)

 

the likely cause would be a component shared by both the speedometer and the antilock system.  since there is only one sensor in common, and i think the 2 relays in the same signal path, it is likely that it is there.  i will be able to test that theory friday.

 

there is a chance it is back at the tiptronic, though i tend to discount this as the transmission operates normally otherwise.  if the speed signal there was at fault, i think it would shift oddly, but it does not. 

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#31

The tiptronic gets his speedosignal from the sensor at the differential.

Thats why without a signal the car runs fine and shifts well without a working instrument cluster.


But the instrument cluster gets his signal from the abs sensor from the front.

But this signal can only works if the abs is working properly.

So if the relay is faulty. You can check it by jumpering it with the pins. See picture as shown in a post before. It is the same kind of jumpering you will do with the dme relay.


As I described if the contacts in the relay are faulty by time you will have strange things. It has nothing to do with milage but with time. Connections could be corroded inside the relay. So it becomes culprit.


As mentioned. Jumper the pins and you will have the answer. And after that control if nescessary the sensor complete with wires. You problem could only be the relay or a faulty corroded connection in te wiring of the car.
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#32

i already cleaned all of the connections at both relays and their sockets.  no change.  the relays from the blue car should be here tomorrow.  if those do not solve the problem, i will order a sensor.

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#33

i was right.  just a component in the electrical path.  ABS relay.  i'll order one tomorrow

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#34

Quote:Ah you found the frequency multiplier, blimey I know something you dont that's rare


I had an issue with a friends 968 where the speedo would only show about 2/3 speed,

When his sat nav said he was doing 60 mph the speedo would show 40


I changed the multiplier for one I found on eBay and that fixed it straight away
 

My '94 cab has the same speedo issue. I assumed it was due to tire/wheel combo but you have me thinking. Any part number for the frequency multiplier? 
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#35

it's marked on the side of the unit.  i'll pull it the next time i am down in the shop though.

 

be prepared.  $300 and germany only

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#36

964 618 220 00


eBay item 222148840393
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#37

i saw that one when i thought i might need one.  no chance i put a used electrical part, with no warranty, and no returns, into my car

 

caveat emptor

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