[enap99]

ATTEMPT TO TRADE MY 968 INTO A 964 FAILED! NOW IM GOING TO DO THE "ALL YOU CAN EAT" MODS FOR RACE PORPOUSES. IM THINKING 3 WAYS:



1) AIR BOX MOD + CHIP (FELL FREE TO SUGGEST WHERE TO BUY....)

2) WHEELS - I DONT WNAT TO HAVE HEADACHES HERE, TRYING TO FIT SPACERS, MAKING HOLES, ETC. IF I CANT FIT 18" SPEEDLINE WHEELS, WICH ARE THE BIGGEST, NON PROBLEM, SIZE I CAN FIT?

3) MO030 FULL SUSPENSION MOD, INCLUDING THE BIG REDS, OR BLACKS (928 S4)



WHAT DO U GUYS THINK?



THANKS



FRANCESCO

1993 TIPTRONIC "BLUE THUNDER ON THE WAY"

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[flash]

well, aside from the obvious issues of racing a tiptronic, i would look at lighter wheels - i would also look at something more disposable, especially since you will want 2 sets (dry and wet) - the speedlines are beautiful, but not the lightest thing out there, and certainly a shame to ruin on the track, at a pretty stiff price tag - size limit is dependent on tire choice, ride height, suspension setup, etc



the chip is a no brainer - rs barn - beats all the others hands down



airbox mod you do yourself



you can do a lot better than M030 with aftermarket stuff, and if you plan to go to 18s, you should consider this carefully



before i did any of that though (except maybe the chip and airbox), i would make sure the rest of the car was all sorted out, installed a strut tower brace, did a really good 4 wheel alignment setup for track, complete with ride height, and saw that the necessary safety mods were done (harnesses, seat, etc)



then, take her out on the track and see how you do before doing any mods - then you can choose what to do based on your driving and needs



the best mod you can do to the car is to tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel



hope that helps



well, aside from the obvious issues of racing a tiptronic, i would look at lighter wheels - i would also look at something more disposable, especially since you will want 2 sets (dry and wet) - the speedlines are beautiful, but not the lightest thing out there, and certainly a shame to ruin on the track, at a pretty stiff price tag - size limit is dependent on tire choice, ride height, suspension setup, etc



the chip is a no brainer - rs barn - beats all the others hands down



airbox mod you do yourself



you can do a lot better than M030 with aftermarket stuff, and if you plan to go to 18s, you should consider this carefully



before i did any of that though (except maybe the chip and airbox), i would make sure the rest of the car was all sorted out, installed a strut tower brace, did a really good 4 wheel alignment setup for track, complete with ride height, and saw that the necessary safety mods were done (harnesses, seat, etc)



then, take her out on the track and see how you do before doing any mods - then you can choose what to do based on your driving and needs



the best mod you can do to the car is to tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel



hope that helps

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[enap99]

Hi there!

Actually im not going to participate at Le Mans. Im just a Porsche Club intusiast, but i do want to "stiff" my car. Shall i start with the Airbox mod. KN filter, and chip?



regards,















[quote name='flash' post='35624' date='May 18 2007, 11:32 AM']well, aside from the obvious issues of racing a tiptronic, i would look at lighter wheels - i would also look at something more disposable, especially since you will want 2 sets (dry and wet) - the speedlines are beautiful, but not the lightest thing out there, and certainly a shame to ruin on the track, at a pretty stiff price tag - size limit is dependent on tire choice, ride height, suspension setup, etc



the chip is a no brainer - rs barn - beats all the others hands down



airbox mod you do yourself



you can do a lot better than M030 with aftermarket stuff, and if you plan to go to 18s, you should consider this carefully



before i did any of that though (except maybe the chip and airbox), i would make sure the rest of the car was all sorted out, installed a strut tower brace, did a really good 4 wheel alignment setup for track, complete with ride height, and saw that the necessary safety mods were done (harnesses, seat, etc)



then, take her out on the track and see how you do before doing any mods - then you can choose what to do based on your driving and needs



the best mod you can do to the car is to tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel



hope that helps



well, aside from the obvious issues of racing a tiptronic, i would look at lighter wheels - i would also look at something more disposable, especially since you will want 2 sets (dry and wet) - the speedlines are beautiful, but not the lightest thing out there, and certainly a shame to ruin on the track, at a pretty stiff price tag - size limit is dependent on tire choice, ride height, suspension setup, etc



the chip is a no brainer - rs barn - beats all the others hands down



airbox mod you do yourself



you can do a lot better than M030 with aftermarket stuff, and if you plan to go to 18s, you should consider this carefully



before i did any of that though (except maybe the chip and airbox), i would make sure the rest of the car was all sorted out, installed a strut tower brace, did a really good 4 wheel alignment setup for track, complete with ride height, and saw that the necessary safety mods were done (harnesses, seat, etc)



then, take her out on the track and see how you do before doing any mods - then you can choose what to do based on your driving and needs



the best mod you can do to the car is to tighten up the loose nut behind the wheel



hope that helps[/quote]

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[RPM]

I think Flash gave you a good laundry list of upgrades - not that you would do them all in a weekend!



The airbox, filter, and chip just unleash the inherent power of the car. From there you will want to feel your way. Do a few DE or autocross events and then decide how far you want to go.



Flash's recommendation on getting your suspension inspected and the alignment checked are also very good. Most of our cars need new struts and shocks at this point - minimum 12 years old - no matter what their mileage.



Good Luck!

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[msamuels]

Francesco:



I run a '92 968 for track-only use in South Florida (mainly Sebring and Moroso). If you were going to convert your car for track use, or dual-purpose use, I would suggest modifications in the following order:



1. Go with track pads, at least for track use. I swear by Performance Friction 97's, because they really bite, but don't destroy rotors or leave epoxy-like dust on the wheels. I instruct for PCA and PBOC, and have never had to go with bigger brakes than the stock 968 brakes. I do bleed my brakes before each event and run Ate Super Blue fluid. I also have some extra brake ducting, but just did this recently. Stainless-steel brakes lines are nice, too.



2. Get some race seats, and ideally put in a roll bar and harnesses so you can stay put on the track. I REALLY recommend the use of a HANS device on the track. Yes, I am a doctor, but they really do work and don't bother you at all when in use. They do require harnesses and race seats, though.



3. Upgrade to the M030 suspension. I did this, though without the brakes, and it is an excellent track setup.



4. For track use, 17" wheels with track tires work very well. You can go with 18's, but I'm not sure whether there is any actual performance increase and the cost is higher. Remember that track tires don't last long and you replace them every few events. I run Forgelines 17" diameters, 8" wide in the front and 9.5" wide in the back. My tires are Hoosier R6s with 245/45-17 fronts and 275/75-17 rears. Seems like an excellent setup after 10 years of tracking the car.



5. A limited-slip differential will do wonders for corner exit, especially the tight corners.



6. If you are going to stick to the track, a lightened flywheel will make a huge difference for heel/toe downshifting. It is very hard to "blip" the throttle with a 65 pound dual-mass flywheel.



7. For performance, I got a noticeable gain out of replacing the exhaust manifold with a header and then changing out the exhaust system for a straight pipe and a flow-through muffler. It is really too loud now, so we will quiet it down a bit for the next event with some sort of modification. I already use a K&N filter.



8. This should be number 1 (and 2 and 3 and...) Sign up for some driving schools and pay good attention to your instructor!



Hope this helps. I am not the ultimate 968 track authority (that would be Charles Geer), but feel free to contact me on the forums or off at SamuelsMA@aol.com.



Michael

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[flash]

lol - i was reading the above, finding it not altogether different than what i said and saying "yup - yup - yup" right up until the flywheel part



he has a tip



i know there are a couple of guys who have said that they have run tips on the track - not sure how they do though

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[enap99]

Guys, until now you've been great. One point that i want to add is that i live in Brazil. There are only 4 968 in the entire country, can you believe it? More. If i tell you that here my car has a market value of 40.000 US, imagine what they make you pay for a good 964 (62.000 US!!!!), lets not mention 993. A brand new 911 TURBO 2007 will make you poor in around 360.000 US. ALELUIAH!!!!!

So, as you can imagine, we do not have a lot of RS BARNS down here, actually, is very difficult to be a Porsche entusiast, owner and fan. But we do have a couple of great Porsche mechanics guys here.



regards,



Francesco





















[quote name='flash' post='35745' date='May 21 2007, 03:57 PM']lol - i was reading the above, finding it not altogether different than what i said and saying "yup - yup - yup" right up until the flywheel part



he has a tip



i know there are a couple of guys who have said that they have run tips on the track - not sure how they do though[/quote]

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