[ds968]

<!--quoteo(post=79252:date=Aug 31 2009, 06:51 AM:name=rhudeboye)-->QUOTE (rhudeboye @ Aug 31 2009, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dan-
I cant wait for my bottle to arrive. Is it necessary to tape off the rubber bits around the windows, door jams etc? Is it a smooth wipe on action or is it more of a rub it in action like Klasse?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


No need to cover anything IMO, because you're not spraying the mist directly on the car, it goes on the microfiber sponge they provide and then you lightly
( very lightly ) run that sponge, along the body panels in straght lines ( they suggest that, as opposed to circular motion ). Let it dry for 12 hours and you may not need to wipe anything at all, or if you do it'll be a smooth swipe over any spot which may have had a heaveier dose of the solution.. the only time
you could face a Klasse type effort ( LOL, I remember using that - what a PITA !! ) is if you really use too much and it leaves a film. Again, not a problem, the result will be just as nice, but more work wiping it off.

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[rhudeboye]

sliced bread

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[968Z]

Well, it has been 3 months or so since I applied this stuff. The shine is still pretty good, and the water beads up as if I just applied it. Hands down, this is an A+ product. I think I'll put another coat on this weekend just for fun.

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[Mark]

<!--quoteo(post=79254:date=Aug 31 2009, 10:51 AM:name=ds968)-->QUOTE (ds968 @ Aug 31 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->if you do it'll be a smooth swipe over any spot which may have had a heaveier dose of the solution.. the only time
you could face a Klasse type effort ( LOL, I remember using that - what a PITA !! ) is if you really use too much and it leaves a film. Again, not a problem, the result will be just as nice, but more work wiping it off.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Klasse requires no effort either unless you put on too much. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
That being said I'm sure this is easier to get off if you do put too much on.

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[ds968]

<!--quoteo(post=79312:date=Sep 1 2009, 08:52 AM:name=Mark)-->QUOTE (Mark @ Sep 1 2009, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Klasse requires no effort either unless you put on too much. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I must have really put on way too much when I used Klasse, or may have either wiped it off too early or too late [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] , in addition to that, because I remember it as being a colossal pain to wipe that film off. Oh, BTW I'm talking only about the Klasse Resin Glaze , the clear liquid, not their "all-in-one" Product which has the milky color liquid

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[rhudeboye]

Ahh now what you said makes sense. Couldn't see how you considered Klasse a PITA when all you have to do is rub it in.

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[rxter]

Did you need to wax since you applied this stuff? If I could put this on and then wash and wax say, 5 or 6 times without having to wax I would definately try it out. I used to love waxing a car - must be getting old...

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[gryphon]

I tried this stuff on the trunk of my black 968 yesterday and was really impressed. I will do the rest of the car sooner or later but the heat in an Arizona garage just ruins car projects right now.

Yes, I bought the 4 ounce container; I'm an idiot.

By the way, make fun of me if you wish, but I once coated an entire slate gray metallic 928 with Armoral and had about the same effect as the Ultima. It looked amazing.

Tom

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[flash]

ok - i'll give it a run - i'll try to get a bottle before detail day

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[gryphon]

Speaking of detailing, I just tried the Meguiar's clay bar kit for the first time to remove paint overspray from the trunk of said black 968 (because I was too lazy to move the car out of the garage before spraying something nearby). It really works great.

My questions is, what kind of clay is this and how does it work so well?

Tom

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[rhudeboye]

Used the Ultima myself and not impressed.

Let me explain. A few weeks ago I clayed the car then buffed out the swirls and rain spots, then used Klasse to bring back the paints luster. Once I got the shine I wanted I added Carnauba wax to protect it. Since then I gave it about 2 more coats of carnauba.

last weekend I washed off the dirt and wiped on one spray per panel of Ultima. Didnt over apply it, but I did get a headache from inhaling it as I was right up on it, in my garage, eyeballing my lines as I applied it. The end result is a good protection. The water really beads up well and a cali duster will remove almost anything and bring back the shine afterward. However I cant attribute the deep shine to the wax. So I see it as a good protector which is what it claims to be. But most hear are impressed with its shine or wet look and I just don't see it.

Curious if our detail king Darryl has any input?

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[Darryl]

<!--quoteo(post=79911:date=Sep 11 2009, 08:41 PM:name=rhudeboye)-->QUOTE (rhudeboye @ Sep 11 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Used the Ultima myself and not impressed.

Let me explain. A few weeks ago I clayed the car then buffed out the swirls and rain spots, then used Klasse to bring back the paints luster. Once I got the shine I wanted I added Carnauba wax to protect it. Since then I gave it about 2 more coats of carnauba.

last weekend I washed off the dirt and wiped on one spray per panel of Ultima. Didnt over apply it, but I did get a headache from inhaling it as I was right up on it, in my garage, eyeballing my lines as I applied it. The end result is a good protection. The water really beads up well and a cali duster will remove almost anything and bring back the shine afterward. However I cant attribute the deep shine to the wax. So I see it as a good protector which is what it claims to be. But most hear are impressed with its shine or wet look and I just don't see it.

Curious if our detail king Darryl has any input?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Golly gee, thanks for asking...

I've never tried it, but follow this thread to see other's opinions. The secret to a deep shine is simply good clean paint (or in the case of newer finishes, clear coat). P21S makes a very nice paint cleanser...which most detailing sites refer to as a "pre-wax" treatment. Keep in mind there are drastic differences between cleaners, sealants, and waxes. Based upon what I've read about this Ultima product from the OP link, it is a sealer, which, as Rhudeboye points out, is mainly a protector. You can apply a wax over top of a sealer and many sealers can be multi-layered on top of themselves, but you'll never really get the deep gloss and shine unless the paint is properly prepared to begin with. To do that you must polish and clean as first steps.

- Darryl

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[rhudeboye]

their web page simply refers to it as a protector. Which is what a wax is. They never refer to it as a wax but they mention that it has a wax booster and they compare it to other waxes sooo...

"Ultima Paint Guard Plus, containing Polycharger Wax Booster technology, is the longest lasting, clearest and easiest paint protection you can apply to your car. This product takes about ten minutes to <b>apply to a clean, dry vehicle. </b>Simply wipe on and walk away. No buffing required.

Ordinary waxes and paint sealants easily wash off in a matter of weeks, but Ultima Paint Guard Plus continues protecting, "

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[968Oz]

<!--quoteo(post=79914:date=Sep 11 2009, 06:00 PM:name=Darryl)-->QUOTE (Darryl @ Sep 11 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Golly gee, thanks for asking...

I've never tried it, but follow this thread to see other's opinions. The secret to a deep shine is simply good clean paint (or in the case of newer finishes, clear coat). P21S makes a very nice paint cleanser...which most detailing sites refer to as a "pre-wax" treatment. Keep in mind there are drastic differences between cleaners, sealants, and waxes. Based upon what I've read about this Ultima product from the OP link, it is a sealer, which, as Rhudeboye points out, is mainly a protector. You can apply a wax over top of a sealer and many sealers can be multi-layered on top of themselves, but you'll never really get the deep gloss and shine unless the paint is properly prepared to begin with. To do that you must polish and clean as first steps.

- Darryl<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

These sound like very wise words Darryl. Last time I clay barred my 68 I did an experiment. I left one section of my hood naked, one part was waxed with inexpensive wax A and the third part was waxed with expensive wax B. Looking at the result from all different angle sand in different lights, I could not discern any difference in appearance between the 3 areas. My partner also could not see a difference. My paint was only 2 years old and metallic silver, so perhaps this is not the most stringent test, but I think it backs up Darryl's comments that clean paint is the key. Of course I went ahead and waxed the car to protect the paint, and I used the expensive product because it was much easier to apply and remove. maybe it will last longer too, who knows.

If Flash gets hold of some Ultima for the detail day it would be interesting to apply some to part of a car, like half the hood or one fender, and see if the assembled masses can tell the difference. The key for an objective appraisal would be not to tell anyone which part of the car was treated.

Cheers

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[flash]

i'll see what i can do - if i can find it locally, i'll snatch it up

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[rhudeboye]

<!--quoteo(post=79930:date=Sep 11 2009, 09:54 PM:name=flash)-->QUOTE (flash @ Sep 11 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i'll see what i can do - if i can find it locally, i'll snatch it up<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Grab the bottle from Dan.

You cant judge the the results on day one because its a paint protector. The test would be how well the "wax" holds up 1 or 2 months down the road next to a conventional wax.

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[ds968]

<!--quoteo(post=79936:date=Sep 12 2009, 05:50 AM:name=rhudeboye)-->QUOTE (rhudeboye @ Sep 12 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Grab the bottle from Dan.
You cant judge the the results on day one because its a paint protector. The test would be how well the "wax" holds up 1 or 2 months down the road next to a conventional wax.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Well, i live 500 miles away from Bob so it might be tough to do a toss and catch, but I can ceratinly send it to him and it'll get there the next day [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Look, the first day or second day after you clay bar / wax / polish ( or whatever..) a car you can use any number of different products and I'm willing to bet you will not see a discernable difference between them, in terms of gloss. Even if you use the cheapest Turtle Wax on one half and the most expensive thing you can buy on the market on the other half, or your favorite wax vs. another that someone else here likes, IMO there is no way to tell which is which under any light conditions ; the surfaces will appear identical. But as little as a week later I believe you will start to notice a change. Three months later, definitely a big change. From my experience ( a high % ) carnauba paste wax gives the glossiest finish but it does not last long at all. Believe it or not I thought Rejex produced the longest lasting and glossiest shine, combined. I think though the Ultima guard may beat that.

I'll take a photo this week and post it, but I'll tell you the friggin thing looks like a mirror, and it's been a while since I put this on the car. In the meantime here's a shot of another favorite product result a few months after putting it on ( Meguiar's NXT Tech wax - liquid)

   

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[ds968]

and this is with only Rejex on it, although it was less than a month after applying it.. anyway, after the same month duration the Ultima looks much brighter IMO

   

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[rhudeboye]

<!--quoteo(post=79940:date=Sep 12 2009, 08:08 AM:name=ds968)-->QUOTE (ds968 @ Sep 12 2009, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Well, i live 500 miles away from Bob so it might be tough to do a toss and catch, but I can ceratinly send it to him and it'll get there the next day [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Look, the first day or second day after you clay bar / wax / polish ( or whatever..) Even if you use the cheapest Turtle Wax on one half and the most expensive thing you can buy... IMO there is no way to tell which is which... But as little as a week later I believe you will start to notice a change. Three months later, definitely a big change.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

My point exactly.
Looking at your pics I see why you were so impressed. But while were talkin shine, do you attribute both the shine and mirror like finish to the protector or would you say that it was just as good before you wiped it on and the UPGS simply sealed it and added a little bit of a wet look to it?

500 miles! Was that hyperbole? Reading some of the older posts gave me the impression that you guys see each other a lot.

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[ds968]

<!--quoteo(post=79951:date=Sep 12 2009, 01:44 PM:name=rhudeboye)-->QUOTE (rhudeboye @ Sep 12 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->My point exactly.
Looking at your pics I see why you were so impressed. But while were talkin shine, do you attribute both the shine and mirror like finish to the protector or would you say that it was just as good before you wiped it on and the UPGS simply sealed it and added a little bit of a wet look to it?
500 miles! Was that hyperbole? Reading some of the older posts gave me the impression that you guys see each other a lot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's pretty tough to answer because I can't really say with certainty if it adds 10% or 20% more gloss to what was there before ( Rejex as a base coat )
or if it simply seals it with a just bit more wet look to it, and that's all. But I can say this; it's a lot brighter and lasts longer that way than anything else I've applied on top of the Rejex. I've used a bunch of stuff including Klasse glaze, Zaino Bros, PS21, Meguiar NXT, Mother's Reflections, Malm ( sold at dealers under Porsche's own label in a small black bottle .. which by the way is better IMO than all the preceding ones I listed ) and so far the Ultima guard as a top coat seems to do the best job. BTW, I never clay bar the car because it's just waaaaaayyyy to much work. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] I only did that once in the last six years.

As for the Flash factor : I drive to SoCal at least 4 times a year to spend what are usually extended weekends with a bunch of friends who live there, Bob being one of them so more often than not I stop by his and Ayn's place for a beer, for some car chat , some mods work ( ok, he does the work, I drink the beer .. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] ) and then we also have the Paso Robles annual meet which I always attend, the Ortega run which I attend once in a blue moon, so when you add all these up it does seem like we connect quite a bit. Besides, driving 500 miles one way in California is just one step above making a run to the grocery store [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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