[ds968]

Dan, hard to have an engine off and still be showing revs on the tach. But what do I know about a Mas :-)

D'oh ! Leave it to you to notice that . Yes, Ferrari engines revv even when they're turned off .

And Bill is correct : it was a camera , not a cell phone . Yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking to it .

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[ds968]

I don't think it's just the end of "Officer Friendly" that's the issue, I think "Citizen Friendly" is also rapidly disappearing. I wouldn't want to walk up to a car I pulled over not knowing if the driver or passenger were on drugs and armed.

That's very true, there's always a possibility of that risk to the police and I often wondered why heavily tinted rear windows in cars are legally persmissible .. Setting that aside, police shot and killed 948 people last year, and more than 2,000 wounded , and although no idea how many of those were during traffic related incidents, I think the reverse statistics are ...about 167 shot ? With 40 deaths ? The odds of dying at the hands of a trigger happy officer are exponentially greater than the risk they may face from the public ..

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[az968]

Oh, you are good, Bill. Do you practice in AZ? :-)

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[az968]

And 64 officers were shot and killed last year. And I'm sure they all wanted to go home to their families after their work shift ended. I'm not convinced they are all trigger-happy, but I'm sure none of them wanted to be shot. That being said, I'm afraid we are at the point where it's becoming dangerous to be in law enforcement and people shouldn't give them a reason to use their guns.

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[ds968]

I'm not implying at all that a single one of those officers deserved to die, all are tragic and unfortunate outcomes, whereas I'd venture to say the majority of those folks / criminals shot by police most likely caused a significant danger probably justifying the reaction by the officers .  Nor am I implying that a large percentage of police are trigger happy, but there are undeniably a small portion of them who are, so I was simply pointing out that statistically the balance of confrontations with the police ending in injury or death is not all that " balanced " , so the odds overwhelmingly favor the police in those situations. Lesson : don't be a criminal , and don't give the police any reason to use lethal force .

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[lbpesq]

I haven't looked up the statistics, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that far more fatalities and injuries result from confrontations that include guns versus confrontations where no firearms are present. I'm not calling for gun control. Personally, if I had the power I would legalize all guns, including assault weapons, automatic weapons, even machine guns. I would, however, ban bullets.

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[Rap]

So what would you do for those who choose not to follow your ban? Sure wouldn't be a level playing field.

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[94SilverCab]

I strongly believe in CALEXIT...

 

Gun fatalities would drop if Democrats stopped killing each other

 

Jay

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[ds968]

Considering California is the seventh largest economy in the entire world - measured by whole countries parameters mind you - CALEXIT would be perfectly fine for the state, and would probably flourish even more so without the burden of the federal government, but the result would be a deep dive / plunge of the rest of the U.S. economy, which we largely subsidize , back into the dark ages ( and hey, that would match D.C.s current political profile ..) .  Of course Calexit , Texexit or any other State exit for that matter will never happen.  This is not comparable to England being part of little more than a quasi-formal  " association " , which one can simply leave..      

 

We could even increase revenue by tripling the price of traffic violation tickets to out of state ( umm, I meant out of country ) visitors... aka tourists.  

( see how I brought the subject back to on topic ?         )  

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[az968]

So I guess next year's West Coast Gathering would be held in AZ or NV since we would now be the west coast of the US. Yippee, I won't have to drive as far and risk a higher priced speeding ticket  :clap: 

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[az968]

submitted without comment.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/07/us/clinton...index.html

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[968Syncro]

Remind me, what is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?    In 1791 there was no permanent army, and therefore it made sense to allow citizens to have a gun in case the country goes to war.   And many citizens hunted for their food, so yeah, it's OK if we let them have a gun.  There was no police force whatsoever, so owning a gun made sense.   Neither of these conditions apply anymore.  These days I hear that "sports men" and "self defense" are the big reasons to allow gun ownership.   Please tell me how killing a deer with a rifle is "sporting".  The other reason I hear for gun ownership is to prevent the government from taking over the country from the citizens, something like "we can always band together with our pop guns and fight the government's army", even though that army can target my belly button with a truck-launched missile from 200 miles away.

 

I don't get it, hasn't our society evolved enough at this point where there is really no credible reason for citizens to keep guns? 

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[az968]

 

 

I don't get it, hasn't our society evolved enough at this point where there is really no credible reason for citizens to keep guns? 

 

Nope.

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[94SilverCab]

Remind me, what is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?    In 1791 there was no permanent army, and therefore it made sense to allow citizens to have a gun in case the country goes to war.   And many citizens hunted for their food, so yeah, it's OK if we let them have a gun.  There was no police force whatsoever, so owning a gun made sense.   Neither of these conditions apply anymore.  These days I hear that "sports men" and "self defense" are the big reasons to allow gun ownership.   Please tell me how killing a deer with a rifle is "sporting".  The other reason I hear for gun ownership is to prevent the government from taking over the country from the citizens, something like "we can always band together with our pop guns and fight the government's army", even though that army can target my belly button with a truck-launched missile from 200 miles away.

 

I don't get it, hasn't our society evolved enough at this point where there is really no credible reason for citizens to keep guns? 

 

Nope...enjoy Californistan

 

Jay

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[968Syncro]

From today's news:  "An off-duty San Diego County Sheriff‘s deputy was shot three times in the shoulder during a confrontation early Monday morning in downtown San Diego’s Gaslamp Quarter,....."

 

http://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2017/08...-shooting/

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[Rap]

What would Ca. do for water? I'm not sure I understand why taking guns away from citizens and not criminals makes sense. Unless one says they will eliminate the underground market which provides guns for criminals. If drugs can't be eliminated by edict neither can guns.

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[az968]

That's the problem why it would be a long and difficult process to ever really control guns. Too many in the wrong hands.

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[Rap]

We could sell water to Ca. and eliminate the US debt!

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[ds968]

What would Ca. do for water? 

 

Ummm, let's see ..desalination perhaps ?!   Sure the plants would be expensive to build and maintain ( though if Mexico can afford that you'd think we can ..) but we can use the billions $ we're now sending our Feds ,

only to be squandered.. First, however, we have to buy some nukes -ICBMs, and a decent amount of every other type of military equipment and personnel to defend against unprovoked attacks and invasion possibilities.   A wall by itself just won't suffice.           

 

As for guns I don't believe there is or will ever be any practical solution to the epidemic in this country. It's just not a realistic, expectation .  And this issue can be debated until everyone is blue in the face, but you'd need not just constitutional amendments,but also a military state ( in force for several years ) enforcing new laws with absolute draconian measures employed to attain that goal .  Works only as a Sci-Fi move script  ..             

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[lbpesq]

California has plenty of water. The problem is Los Angeles wants to steal it all!


For every story about a cop getting shot in a traffic stop, there are several of cops shooting people during stops, while selling single cigarettes, while calling the police for help, etc. And what a coincidence that these peole are usually not white. A reasonable case can be made that officers should be better paid and for improving education and training. We'd wind up with better law enforcement. Also, from my personal perspective, removing controlled substances from the criminal justice system would have tremendously positive results. Most police corruption is related to narcotics enforcement - that's where the cash is often found. Based on my 30 years experience in criminal law, I believe two years on the narc squad ruins most officers. It is sad how much lip service our nation pays to education, public safety, and the armed forces while paying cops and teachers bupkis and ignoring needs of veterans.

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