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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CUP 1 AND CUP 2
#1

contrary to an all too popular misconception, there is no such thing as "Cup 1" and "Cup 2" wheels - this has been a constant source of confusion when trying to talk to someone about these wheels



for the record, the wheels that come on this car in 17" form are "C2 Turbo" on the early cars and "993 Cup" which became available on the later cars (the C2 Turbo continued to be available)



there are multiple widths and offsets for both models



the misnomer came about from a car that was never sold to the US - the 911 cup car, a european model, came with the C2 Turbo wheels - however, the Turbo with those wheels was not out yet - also, what you could call the true "Cup" wheels were MAGNESIUM - anyway, the wheels got dubbed "Cup" over there by the enthusiasts who didn't know any better at the time, becaue they "looked" like the ones on the Cup car (but not by Porsche) - then when the 993 Cup wheel came out, those same enthusiasts perpetuated the misnomer and called that one "Cup 2"



but we will use the correct designations here - consequently you will see your posts get edited if you use the incorrect designation - please try to use the correct one though, we have a lot better things to do than continue to edit things like this



i hope this clears that up



ource of confusion when trying to talk to someone about these wheels



for the record, the wheels that come on this car in 17" form are "C2 Turbo" on the early cars and "993 Cup" which became available on the later cars (the C2 Turbo continued to be available)



there are multiple widths and offsets for both models



the misnomer came about from a car that was never sold to the US - the 911 cup car, a european model, came with the C2 Turbo wheels - however, the Turbo with those wheels was not out yet - also, what you could call the true "Cup" wheels were MAGNESIUM - anyway, the wheels got dubbed "Cup" over there by the enthusiasts who didn't know any better at the time, becaue they "looked" like the ones on the Cup car (but not by Porsche) - then when the 993 Cup wheel came out, those same enthusiasts perpetuated the misnomer and called that one "Cup 2"



but we will use the correct designations here - consequently you will see your posts get edited if you use the incorrect designation - please try to use the correct one though, we have a lot better things to do than continue to edit things like this



i hope this clears that up
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#2

I hear ya!

Its going to be a frustrating loosing battle though.

I dont think you are going to single handedly change the wheel world with the correct nomenclature.



They are reffered to as such everywhere including PCA classifieds and even some magazine articles.



For this board I will just call them wheels and show a pic.
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#3

lol - if you aren't a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem



start the trend - you buy and sell more wheels than anybody i know (except maybe rader) - that would be a good place to start correcting the problem



change can happen, but it has to start somewhere



flag waving now - kumbaya









another thing that makes it so confusing is that the C2 Turbo wheels on our car were actually cast aluminum "replicas" of the "cup" wheel, and now there are replicas of those replicas



better to use the correct terms for all
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#4

I certainly do not disagree with you.



Only waving flags I could find.
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#5

Well, I can rest easy now since you don't mention we can't use CUP 3 anymore.... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



This is somewhat on par with trying to change "Let me Xerox that for you..."!!
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#6

Ditto?
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#7

i get the analogy - however, to follow that, if you are trying to discern between one brand of copier and another when somebody is shopping, you would use the correct brand and model designation wouldn't you? you wouldn't ask for a "Xerox" when you really wanted a Canon
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#8

I agree with you Flash, but what is your source?



For example this is the Porsche option code name for the later 17" (993 Cup) wheel:



398 17 " 5-Spoke Wheels (P205/50ZR17 front, P225/40ZR17 rear) [1996]
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2002 Carrera Coupe - Orient Red Metallic

'93 968 Coupe Amazon Green Metallic w/airbox mod (sold 2009)

'89 944 S2 (gone to live in the Midwest)

'77 911S (RIP)

And a whole bunch of VWs over the years...
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#9

it's not in the option codes - it's well known amongst those who really follow the history though - you can find a lot of it in the 3 volume set "excellence was expected"



what you won't find in any option list or dealer list, are the MAGNESIUM wheels that were actually on the Cup cars, which is what started it all



everything after that was a replica of that wheel, but in cast aluminum - besides the fact that they were intended to be introduced on the turbo, that is why they were called the C2 Turbo when they were put on other cars - they were not the "Cup" wheel
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#10

the main point is that porsche never called our early wheels "cup 1" - we should not either - they never called the later ones "cup 2" - we should not either
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#11

I'll have to go with Smoke/PorscheDude on this one and simply note them as "porsche wheels" and post a picture where applicable. Certain things just take on a life all their own and become "common practice", for better or worse.
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#12

I never understood any of this, so I'll be happy with the "wheels" designation accompanied by photos.



I am likely to have some 16" wheels for sale shortly - and there will be photos, since I have no idea what to misname them.
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#13

STANDARD?
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Could be...but I don't know for sure what was "standard". <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/closedeyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
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#15

lol - you guys just just old dogs, aren't you? no new tricks? i really don't see the problem in calling things what they should be called, rather than perpetuating misinformation - what's the big deal?
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#16

I thought they were called 'Design 92' and 'Design 93' - or is this another misnomer?



This article in particular refers to them as such - i am not saying it is right though



http://www.porsche964.co.uk/technical/964%...and%20tyres.pdf



It does support Flash's original post re the origin.



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#17

"We mock what we don't understand....!"



<img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



In all honesty, for me, it's not a big deal to worry about what a certain style of wheel should or shouldn't be called. As long as pictures are available to help describe the wheels, I'm OK. (*)



*- note: I did, on this very forum, correct someone for calling Sport Classics "Sport Designs", so I am a big, fat hypocrite!



What I am more concerned with is hijacking a thread and wondering when the SSK will be ready!!!!!! (Please don't ban me- I kid, I kid!)



In the end, I can't seriously argue with your desire/logic so I will do my best to change.



Can I get a ruling on splitter vs. spoiler?! (You're so gonna ban me! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )
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Isn't a "splitter" in front and a "spoiler" in back?
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#19

lol - no worries - gotta do a lot worse than that to get banned - nobody yet, and don't expect it



your comment is exactly why the term is so important - i can't count the number of threads where somebody is buying or selling or wanting to buy a set of these wheels - in the latter event, it NEVER includes a picture, so it is 2 or 3 more posts just to find out what they want



on rev 3 of shift kit design - busy in preproduction on 3 shows right now - should be clear saturday to focus on parts for a few days
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#20

So basically whats your point of this post.??

As most of us know these wheels as either [17"],Cup1 OR Cup 2,s...The 16" versions are different..

Well we in the UK do anyway...

Or is this just another play on words, or a way to confuse us even more.????

OR

Possibly are you bored + have nothing better to do..???? <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
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