[ds968]

I just caught a brief glimpse of this video on MSNBC last night, and it made my blood boil: police officers handcuffing a five year old girl at her school and then taking this frightened child away while crying... Has anyone else here seen this ?



The report said just that she was not "obeying" some instructions and was being difficult.. WTF ?! Ok, let me repeat this : WTF ??!! Sure there are worse things happening everywhere, but this is just sick ! Have we lost it ?



I can understand if she was waiving a loaded weapon around, but being " difficult "

compels two or three officers four times her size to handcuff a five year old and drag her away ?



Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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[Greimann]

I saw that last week. You are right Dan - they should have used a large pet carrier instead.

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[ds968]

hey, as long as they feel good about themselves; probably think they performed a great public service. we all feel safer now with one less muppet to threaten our existance <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



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[WYLDCTZ]

I get the feeling I'm going to fall pretty far on the side of being a strict parent compared to most people here so I probably shouldn't even get involved in this argument...but if I had a 5 year old and she was being disrespectful to any adult, and as long as the police didn't physically abuse her in any way, I would welcome her getting handcuffed and put in a cop car so she would learn that is not acceptable behaviour. All this kid learned from this experience was that cops are jerks, she can be a mean little kid and her parents will defend her when someone repremands her for it. Now when she's 16 and does something more serious and gets carted away by the cops, she's not going to understand why she can't get off easy anymore...



Again, I know its probably a pretty iffy situation as it was a 5 year old kid. But as a parent, as long as my daughter wasn't harmed in any way, I'd look at it as a good opportunity to teach her what kind of behaviour is and isn't acceptable, and know that this would be a lesson she'd never forget. (And this is coming from someone who has had some run ins with cops that are real aholes...)

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[rustech]

I agree with you Mark, but I feel 5 years old is a bit too young. I feel it's the parents responsibility for disipline at this age. If she was 11 years old or so, I would say fine, but at 5 years, it can have long lasting detrimental effects. Being cuffed and carted could instill a level of fear in a 5 year old that could cause more damage than it's worth.

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[WYLDCTZ]

I'm definitely not going to argue that. I am far from even halfway knowledgable about what kind of emotional states kids are in at any age. (I have a 2 1/2 year old just fyi) I know one thing, that kid is probably going to grow up hating cops, which is kinda sad <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[Porsch968e]

but if I had a 5 year old and she was being disrespectful to any adult, and as long as the police didn't physically abuse her in any way, I would welcome her getting handcuffed and put in a cop car so she would learn that is not acceptable behaviour

What makes you think that adults are so superior to children that disrespect constitutes handcuffing. That disgusts me, no one should disrespect anyone, age has nothing to do with it. An adult disrespecting a child is no different then a child disrespecting an adult, the bottom line is it's wrong. I think its horrible that a child was handcuffed, that child does not like cops now, if a parent handcuffs their child, same deal.

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[WYLDCTZ]

[quote name='Porsch968e' date='May 12 2005, 07:44 PM']What makes you think that adults are so superior to children that disrespect constitutes handcuffing. That disgusts me, no one should disrespect anyone, age has nothing to do with it. [right][post="4697"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote]



I know everyone has different societal values. I personally believe that any child should inherently respect any adult, especially a police officer. I believe as a person a police officer should respect any other person regardless of age, but that they have a clear position of authority over any child, and I expect my children to obey anything they're told to do by a police officer unless it goes directly against some moral value they hold.

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[Porsch968e]

I understand what you mean. I just don't see any difference between a person in street clothes and a person in a uniform. I think people have this belief that cops are better and smarter than people that arent cops, and whatever they say is right and there should be no discution or argument because "hes a cop." People dont have any mind of their own to question authority, so in many cases they get taken advantage of. Their are cops out there that are out to get you, and they have forgotten what their job is. I have had cops go out of their way to try to find something to get me in trouble for, all the while acting like they are better than me. Does anyone ever stop and think, hey maybe that child is right and not the cop? Well I do, the uniform hasnt proven anything to me.

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[968gene]

I say skip 1st grade!

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[rustech]

[quote name='Porsch968e' date='May 13 2005, 07:09 PM']I understand what you mean. I just don't see any difference between a person in street clothes and a person in a uniform. I think people have this belief that cops are better and smarter than people that arent cops, and whatever they say is right and there should be no discution or argument because "hes a cop." People dont have any mind of their own to question authority, so in many cases they get taken advantage of. Their are cops out there that are out to get you, and they have forgotten what their job is. I have had cops go out of their way to try to find something to get me in trouble for, all the while acting like they are better than me. Does anyone ever stop and think, hey maybe that child is right and not the cop? Well I do, the uniform hasnt proven anything to me.

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I think we all need the context of the situation to argue this more intelligently. In your statements, I see an overwhelming amount of bias towards cops. I share them for my own personal reasons, but they still aren't applicable to this discussion. There are too many assumptions being made.



I agree that respect is mutual, but there are different forms of respect; respect thy elders is different than respect thy children.



Before the discussion gets out of hand however, we need to be better informed of the details.

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[ds968]

[quote name='968gene' date='May 13 2005, 07:48 PM']I say skip 1st grade!

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hey, not so fast.. 1st grade were the best three years I spent in elementary

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