[Torbjorn968]

A truly basic question: I have been taught to keep the position of my hands on the wheel in order to "know where you are". Others swear by push - pull where you move your hands (but do not cross them) in order to keep them close to 3/9 and always have the gear change hand close to the stick.



Your preferences?



Best



T

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[flash]

this is what they teach in race school:



both hands on the wheel (10-2 - 3-9 - depends on your wheel, arm length, etc)



stay away from the shifter until you are ready to shift (i am bad about that one myself)



push pull - never cross hands - lift a hand if needed, but never cross

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[Mark]

Depends on the car and the steering ratio.

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[Jim Child]

Since I got my Sparco steering wheel I leave my hands at 9-3 at all times, removing a hand only briefly to shift gears. My hand position should be visible in all of my videos if you want to check them out.



Back when I had my stock steering wheel I did find it easier to shuffle steer in some corners. I teach students to leave their hands at 9-3 or 10-2 if they can, but not to be afraid of shuffle steering if they find it necessary to get around a tight corner.

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[Anchorman]

In my DE outings, I've was instructed in the manner described above - hands at about the 9-3 position, shuffle if necessary for corners in which your hands/arms get too twisted otherwise, and both hands on the wheel at all times except for the brief time required to shift. If I was in a situation where I knew another shift would be coming up very soon, I found I was leaving my right hand on the shift knob - and was continually criticized for that to the extent that I've become self-aware even in street driving.

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[PorscheDude]

Shuffle steerings is what I was taut at a PCA autocross school.

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[Jim Child]

[quote name='smokiemon968' post='47909' date='Feb 22 2008, 12:29 AM']Shuffle steerings is what I was taut at a PCA autocross school.[/quote]



On a tight autocross course with a stock steering wheel that's probably appropriate. Just don't assume that its the best technique to apply in all situations. Its alot easier too make fine corrections in higher speed corners if you leave your hands in one place.

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[Eric_K]

Get a manual steering rack and you will have to shuffle (or go off the road).

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[sguy]

Driving Eric's car last year at PIR, I did not shuffle steer. I don't know if it would have been desirable or not. It is a skill I have not tried to learn yet. I would think there are situations or tracks where each steering method could have an advantage. Much like left-foot braking; in some cases when downshifting is not needed like turns 4-8 at PIR. YMMV.

Cheers, Stephen

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[Eric_K]

Stephen, you're right, Portland doesn't have any real tight turns so it is not required to shuffle your hands there. I checked my videos and interestingly I didn't shuffle at the May Portland race but did in August. I was not conscious of the difference. The car had different tires and alignment in the two races but I'm guessing I changed without noticing because I had recently done SRP and Pacific which have some tight corners which required shuffling.

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[flash]

turn 2 was a bit of a handful for me

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[GREYGHOST]

I teach for Evolution Performance driving school, autocross. we tend not to focus on your hand position,

we do though on how fast you move the wheel and how much, we use the addage the the tires don't care how you hold the wheel only care is how you tell them to do there job. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> .



thanks Rob F

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[333pg333]

There was an article I read in a Porsche magazine about 18 months ago featuring a famous driver of Porsche cars, both road and race, and he actually let go of the wheel at certain times so the steering wheel would return faster than by hand. I can't remember who it was but I want to say Paul Frere. Funnily enough I do this on the street at times, but don't think I do it on the track. Maybe a really tight turn on a hillclimb or our version of Auto-X. You let the wheel unwind by itself and catch it at the right time. Sounds more suited to coming out of an opp lock situation in theory.

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[Winston968]

I was taught a variation on the 9-3 method.

For most driving, keep your hands at the 9-3 positions. When approaching a corner (say a right hander), bring your right hand up to the top of the steering wheel. While gripping the top of the wheel with your right hand, loosen your left hand grip. Then turn the wheel, letting it slide through your left hand. When the bottom of the steering wheel meets your left hand, tighten your grip. Continue turning if necessary, until your left hand reaches the top of the steering wheel. At this point you may need to go hand over hand. But I have found this works for most corners, like turning at traffic lights.

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[Clem]

Do what works best for you

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[Torbjorn968]

[quote name='333pg333' post='56323' date='Jul 15 2008, 01:49 PM']There was an article I read in a Porsche magazine about 18 months ago featuring a famous driver of Porsche cars, both road and race, and he actually let go of the wheel at certain times so the steering wheel would return faster than by hand. I can't remember who it was but I want to say Paul Frere. Funnily enough I do this on the street at times, but don't think I do it on the track. Maybe a really tight turn on a hillclimb or our version of Auto-X. You let the wheel unwind by itself and catch it at the right time. Sounds more suited to coming out of an opp lock situation in theory.[/quote]



Pretty sure this was Jurgen Barth. Have used this in the situation you are thinking of: unwinding opp lock and it worked fine at least a couple of times.



//T

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[pmcrespo]

This is what I use.... LOL <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



   

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[flash]

lol - i still crack up when i see brodie knobs

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[rob76turbo]

I have manual steering installed in my car...so I shuffle steer. You have to really muscle the car through corners so the 9-3 position will not work.

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[Scott Collins]

[quote name='crespo' post='56520' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:30 AM']This is what I use.... LOL <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



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Priceless! All it needs is the Oldsmobile crest in the center to complete the look. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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