[flash]

ok - i'm getting old and forgetting things



i've got the bumper cover off and was trying to remove the fender. i took these off when i repainted the car, so i know i can do it. for the life of me though i can't seem to figure out what the heck is hanging on. i have all of the obvious screws off, including the 2 that are on the internal vertical rib. i don't remember having to remove the doors to remove the fenders, but is that what has to happen? if that is the case, this project is waiting until summer before i do it. i am NOT removing my doors right now.

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[rxter]

   

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[flash]

???

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[Cloud9...68]

I'm afraid I'm of no help (other than rooting hard for your success...), but have you looked at the exploded diagrams in the parts catalog? Sometimes they reveal helpful things. And is the manual not helpful?

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[flash]

manual no help - parts catalog no help. it looks like you just have to push the fender rearward after you remove the screws, but to do that without buggering the door, i have to remove the door

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[flash]

found the bugger holding me up. it's a screw hiding behind the washer reservoir. now if i can just get to it

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[flash]

got the (*&^%$#@! fender off!



what a nightmare. i guess i never had the right fender off. i know i had the left one off, and i thought i had the right one off too. i know the body shop told me they had it off. looks like they lied.



anyway, you have to remove the washer tank, which involves separating the fill tube from it, draining it, unclipping the lines, and then pulling it carefully forward. then you get to get in there and figure out how to cut the silicone bead that porsche bonded the fender to the car with. that was a royal pain. don't y ank and pull on the fender though because it will kink.



moving on. removing the headlight assy now so i can fit the fender

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[flash]

old fender 12.25# new fender 8.25 bs - savings 4#



old headlight assy 14.5# new headlight 4.75# savings 9.75#



total savings for pair 27.5#



pics coming soon

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[Cloud9...68]

Glad you were able to figure it out. Did you cut the silicone bead with a knife?

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[flash]

keyhole saw and a box cutter

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[flash]

this project just got shoved WAY back



complete fail on fitment.



much work to do at the rear to match the car's contour



the litronic assy hits the front of the filtch panel/wheel well. no way that is ever going to work without cutting into the sheet metal of the car. maybe halogens. they should be smaller



the front curvature of the fender is indeed altered. the fender at the rear upper edge of where the headlight meets it is a good 1/2 higher than the stock 968 fender. that is a good thing/bad thing. it makes the fender lines sit up higher, giving more curve and profile, but it also dramatically changes the front end look of the car and makes it really look like a 993



i'll be back over there taking to him about rework in about a week



sorry guys - can't even dummy it up to see if it fits



but at least i get to get in there and clean things up and finish a couple of other mods i was working on



i'm not giving up on this yet though. i'll have another chance to play with it in a couple of weeks when the car comes back from having the engine done.



that being said, i am pretty much undecided now about doing this on my own car. not sure i like it

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[flash]

sorry i can't stick the light in there, but here are a couple of shots:



   

   

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[flash]

ok - i've now had a chance to play with this a little bit and there are some immutable realities. the litronic has a bubble level inside that was extremely helpful in making some determinations.



there is absolutely NO chance of using a 993 light in a 968 fender without making some compromises. either you have to learn to live with increasing the fender height, or you have to learn to live with the headlight beam not going where it should. if you keep the fender profile, that means that the headlight has to drop vertically. this means that either the headlight lens points upward, and even if there were enough adjustment in the lights, it would be extreme refracting of the beam, or if you get the light level like it should be, you lose the lower half of the lower beam.



guys who love the look of the 993 will love this fender. guys who don't will probably hate it.



i'm really undecided, but likely to pass. the weight savings just isn't big enough to justify the serious change, and as much as i like some of the things the fender does, i'm not sure i like the raised fender line.



i'm going to have to stare at this a bit more when i get the car back.

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[tamathumper]

This is another "Love It or Hate It" conundrum... Many hate the pop-up headlight function, while loving the lines of the front of the car... Catch-22!

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[Monstrous4Banger]

I likey.

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[Gotter]

Have to wonder if the guys in R&D back in the early 90's grappled with this same struggle. Do we put 928 lights in or 911? I personally like the route they went. 928 lights and lower profile fender arches fit its lineage. I find the pop-ups a point of conversation and a unique feature that very few cars in the world have - frontward raising headlamps. Sure it's a bit heavier than stationary lights, sure the motors can fail.... but I love them - MUCH more than the awful 944 flip-ups... too much of a Vette wanna-be. The only way I would consider the going stationary is if the fenders were untouched.... and it seems that just isn't in the cards. Thanks for all the hard work, Flash!

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[Cloud9...68]

Seems to me the most efficient solution to allow for retaining of the low fender line that gives the 968 so much of its character while ditching the heavy, space-hogging pop-ups would be to focus on the light (no pun intended, really...), keeping the stock fender. In other words, take the solution that that JarmoL came up with as far as the buckets



http://www.968forums...__fromsearch__1



but work on different light packages. If your fiberglass guy could put together something as complex as a fender, light buckets should be a snap for him. For my purposes, JarmoL's lights are fine, since I'm more concerned about simplicity and minimal weight than about ultimate aesthetics, but others might want a more aesthetically pleasing light (not that JarmoL's look bad).



Just my 2 cents. But on the "bright" side, this frees Flash up to work on other important things, like the modified oil-cooler-line-to-oil-filter-housing fitting, and the relocated tow hook <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.png" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[DaveN]

Did you happen to get a picture from the sides? It's really hard to discern the profile difference without a left and right side-on view. Cloud - the buckets are still a very nice alternative

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[flash]

sort of, but they really don't show it as well as the 3/4 views where you can clearly see the difference between the two. the profile shot makes it look like a lot more than it is, which you can see by comparing looking at it from one side versus the other. from the right side it looks huge, but from the left it almost looks the same as stock. the 3/4 view gives a better comparison



   

   

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[Lim Yong]

Wow.......I'm in the I love it camp.



Questions:

Does your weight saving calcualtions include the lift motor?

Does the regular (non Litronic) light weight less?

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