[speedysprocket]

What material do I use to make them out of? I've made coil spring spacers for my truck on my lathe out of derlin… These guys advertise theirs made from "poly graphite", but I couldn't find that as a raw material...

Any tips or advice would be much appreciated!

Thanks,

Alex

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[flash]

can you be more specific? which bushings? there are 5 per side.



there are already a number of aftermarket ones out there. be very careful about making bushings. this is a rather odd suspension design, and solid bushings have not been terribly successful. i had some delrin ones in there and removed them, as they made too much noise, and did not provide what i was looking for in performance.

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[speedysprocket]

The spring plate bushings are what I was looking at doing. Should I just leave the rubber in there?

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[flash]

if you are retaining the torsion bars, yes stay rubber. if you are planning on deleting them, no. in that case, go to the polybronze bushings from elephant for the torsion carrier bushings (1 and 2). 3 and 4 can stay rubber.

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[speedysprocket]

Alright, thanks!

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[Eric_Oz_S2]

What about the banana arm bushings? Why would you only replace the outer ones? If it is for track use the use of spherical bushings will help reduce rear toe out under braking. When you use sticky tyres the rear tends to get unstable under braking unless you dial in lots of toe in. Spherical bushings help maintain correct toe and let you run less rear toe in.

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[flash]

they can work well for a track car, but are a bit noisy on the street. they also make the back end a bit twitchy on bumps. if you have a twitchy rear suspension already, this will make it worse.



i have them in my blue car, but not in the white car. i actually prefer the rubber on the street, and if i had to do it over again, i would not have switched.

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[speedysprocket]

I asked about those particular bushings because those are the ones I could potentially make myself. I can't make a mono ball… yet.

There's no difference between 944 and 968 read suspension other than the torsion bar size and possibly sway bar size, correct? I was going to swap the whole rear suspension from the 968 into my 944S, but the 968 tube is all rusty and my S is clean. Any tips on swapping the torsion bars so I don't have to take the suspension off again to readjust…?

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[flash]

unfortunately, you have to remove the suspension to get the torsion bars out. that's exactly why i just deleted them altogether, and went pure coilover. i didn't want to have to do that job 3 times, which is what many people were complaining about.



still not sure i made the right choice.

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[speedysprocket]

The rear suspension is coming out regardless to swap the torque tube. Any tips for aligning the torsion bars for proper ride height?

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[flash]

there is a DIY on that, here on the site. search is your friend.

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[Lear35A]

Hint 1: it's not in the DIY section

Hint 2: if you search align or aligning torsion bars the only hit is this thread

Hint 3: try reindexing

Hint 4: the "DIY" isn't even on this site



Fact is that the search function just isn't very good. I see nothing wrong in helping a poster find something if we happen to know just where it is.

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[flash]

it's fine. it's always operator error. you just have to start with the right word. people need to learn what words to use, which is why we keep pressing on correct terms.



re-indexing. pops up right away.



give a man a fish, and he eats that night. teach a man to fish, and he feeds himself for life.



as for it not being in the DIY section, ultimately that section will go away entirely, and the DIYs will be in the appropriate categories, and pinned. i only created the DIY section so that i had a place to park things, and sort out the format.

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[tamathumper]

If all the operators experience the error, guess what?



Kind of reminds me of a saying: If you met an a-hole this morning, you met an a-hole this morning. If you met a-holes all day, you're the a-hole...



I'm not implying anyone is an a-hole by the way, that's just the saying.

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[flash]

guess what? time to teach the operators, that's what.



but, we are once again WAY off topic, and led there by some of the same people that continually do it. this has to stop. there is an appropriate place for a discussion of the search engine, and this is not it.



back to the bushings. to elaborate on my doubt as to the wisdom of deleting the torsion bars, i find the torsion bar spring smoother in operation, and much quieter. this leads to a more settled rear suspension, and a much more pleasant driving experience. if it weren't for the fact that i have torn the rear suspension apart so many times fixing noise issues, i'd probably yank it all apart again and put in the torsion bars i like. it just seems like i can't convince myself to get in there again. also, since i would have to drop the suspension, that means changing out the control arm bushings, and i don't think they sell just the bushing, which means new control arms. that's just not an expense i'd like to incur until i have to.

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[tamathumper]

I haven't taken a thread off topic in a long time, in fact I've made it a point not to.



speedysprocket - how do you intend to make the bushings, are you going to lathe your own delrin or similar material?

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[flash]

lol - you just did - twice - let's drop that now though, to avoid editing



back on topic



delrin is pretty noisy for the rear suspension. i had them in there and removed them because of it. not sure if it's because of the dual angles or what. really sucked though. no amount of greasing or fitting would quiet them down. this problem was with carrier bushings, and sway bar bushings.

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[speedysprocket]

Yeah, I have been convinced not to try making the bushings. I'll just swap the torsion bars since the 968 ones are bigger than the stock 944's.

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[Eric_Oz_S2]

Unfortunately none of the forums seem to have very good search capabilities. I use google to ind stuff on the other two forums and it works so much better than the forum search function. Unfortunately this forum requires a password to read so google does not work.



Eg type in



torsion bar indexing site:forums.pelicanparts.com

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[flash]

nonsense. just type "re-indexing" in the search box, and search as a title. it pops right up, just as it should

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