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Ferrari sucks !
#1

Yes, I realize it's a business and being run like one, yes it's a "team" and being run like one, but it has ruined the sport, IMO !
F1 should never be a team sport.... so all I can say is : what a bunch of B.S !!
I hope Ferrari is banned from F1 for at least two seasons, maybe they'll learn. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]
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#2

should there be a link with this rant Dan?

I'm not in the know - so i have no clue as to where this is coming from.
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i have no problem with utilizing team strategy, nor seeking ways to utilize the rules to your advantage - crashing deliberately is a bit over the top, but running "block" for your teammate is just racing

finding ways to get more out of the car is just plain smart - if the rules are vague, take advantage of them - they'll change that in next year's rules - if they truly want it to be about the driver, and not about the car, then have all the cars made by one preparer, and draw lots to get a car - until then, do whatever you can to make the car faster within the rules
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#5

In watching the race, Alonso was having faster laps than Massa. I'm sure Ferrari wanted to avoid an incident like the Red Bull crash earlier this year when Webber wouldn't let Vettel by and they both lost.
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#6

Oops, yeah sorry .. a link would have been helpful, but since this was front page headline news ( outside of just the racing world )
I thought it might have circulated to all by today.. but Banditsc came to the rescue [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] so there it is.

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Porsche did the same thing in the 70's with the 935 (Norbert Singer). They found loopholes in the rules. "The rear window must be kept in the production position without modification." But nobody ever said they couldn't add a 2nd rear window for better air flow. People hated them for that, but they won, and now it has become admirable.

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#8

I disagree with lumping technical rule exploits, team strategy, or so-and-so was LAPPING faster so he deserved to win the RACE into the discussion of what happened yesterday in the German GP. This isn't qualifying, it's a race...if you are faster then you shouldn't win by default - YOU MUST PASS! If a team is cheating technically then the races are at least exciting and if/when that team gets caught then the rules will change or they will be punished for breaking the rules. Team strategy in most terms is also OK as far as testing different setups, employing different fuel/tire strategies, even restricted blocking or whatever. But I feel like F1 fans everywhere were robbed of a good show Sunday and that's what it comes down to. If racing drivers no longer race to win then I have no interest in watching this spectacle anymore.
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Ha, they needed Castroneves to cross over from Indy and in that car yesterday, I'm guessing his reaction would have a bit more colorful .. a clip of him honing his Friday Night Smack-Down skills [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img] http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/from_t...n=nascar-258150 I saw it on ESPN last night thought it was a blast..
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#10

It will be interesting if there is a further penality for Ferrari.

The 100K$ fine is just ridiculous.

Team orders are forbidden since 8 years, so if they want to cheat they should do it at least less obvious.
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The thing was Massa was running faster, and realistically, Alonso would have not been able to pass him. Being told by his engineer to lap at a 3 second gap, and then suddenly Massa not only stopped running faster than Alonso but dropped well under the 3 second gap should have been a red flag to the race stewards. The reality was Massa was indeed pulling away until that order. The second order from his engineer telling him Alonso was now faster, that had no reply from Massa was the final evidence that Massa was being the good "second" drive that the red car team always seems to have.

Is Alonso ahead in the driver points, yes but not by much compared to Massa. And Alonso even with the points Massa gave him, didn't advance into contention in terms of driver standings. However had Massa won, he and Alonso would have been neck and neck in the standings. Given the fact Alonso has made a hash of Massa's races by knocking wheel rims repeatedly with his own team mate, the issue of whether Alonso is indeed the primary driver is questionable at best. There is no doubt Alonso is a great driver. There is little doubt that he will likely be a World Champion again. But by the same token Massa was 1 point away from being World Champion and arguably has enough talent to become one himself. He has been a good driver since his earliest days at Sauber Petronas, and his talent level is rumored to be one of the reasons why Shumi "retired", allowing the much younger Massa to remain at Ferrari as a driver.

I understand that they have almost always had a primary driver and a secondary driver. But with neither in true contention for the Driver's Championship, and the fact that the finish order would have zero impact on the teams Constructor's Championship standings, the thinly veiled race engineer orders should not have been ordered. I do however think that the ban on team orders should be dropped altogether. That way, in future races where this same type of situation exists, its public knowledge that a team is favoring one driver over another. Whether such favoritism is justified or not can then be fairly judged by the fans.

And as a full disclaimer I have been a McClaren fan since I was in the single digits, and loath Alonso for his prima donna acts at the team when he showed up trying to be the primary driver there. So I really hate both Ferrari and Alonso. Massa on the other hand I have always supported as a driver and I really hate to see him pushed back by Alonso.
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