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My Friend Passed on the 968
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Hey Everyone,



I just got back from TKX Performance (the Huntington branch of RPM Racing). They did a full check on the Porsche 968 that my friend was looking at.



http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...g=en&cardist=40



I had called Russel Whalers previous to the PPI and he told me that the car was maintained mechanically by this owner very well. In 2002, he had brought it in for a full scheduled maintenance, including timing belts, the works. I had therefore assumed that the PPI would come out with few, if any problems.



What Richard discovered blew my mind. The car was in a MAJOR accident.



Here is the full PPI:



• Car has been smoked in heavily. (My friend cannot tolerate this BTW)

• The drivers out seat bolster was heavily worn.

• Roof cracks extend into sunroof channel

• Sunroof motor/transmission damaged

• Front Valance Insert Shattered

• Sunroof Bubbles up, also root antenna

• All rims are damaged

• Right front fender misaligned and damaged

• Left front inner tie rod is bent

• Right right suspension shows heavy indication of being damaged and sloppily repaired

• Front main seal, rear main seal, and pan gasket are all leaking

• Transmission output shaft seals are sweating



The Compression was as follow:

1) 180

2) 190

3) 185

4) 185



Right when I introduced myself to Richard he told me this isn’t the car to buy. He stopped the PPI short because he saw there was so much damage, it wasn’t even worth going the full two hours (which is why he only charged me 150 instead of 210 [<img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />] )



Richard said that if the car was 3500 he would buy it, but at 12,900, its way too expensive for a very damaged 968. He did say that the engine has been regularly maintained though.

I got the feeling when I first talked to this guy that he didn’t know much about 968s. I think he was duped when he bought the car in 2002, and didn’t know the car was in a serious accident. Richard told me to explain to him that my friend cannot buy the car because it’s a smokers car, and my friend is an asthmatic.



That’s my story, let me know what you guys think. [<img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />]
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#2

Yep... that's why a PPI is a must have. Congratulate your friend on avoiding a lemon.





- Jon
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Here is the full carfax.



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No severe problems (major accidents, fire, flood damage, major odometer problems or lemon history) were ever reported by a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) for this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609). If you find that any of these severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.



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The story of this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:

Blue Arrow This coupe has had 1 owner in New York. It was originally registered by the owner for personal use.

Blue Arrow It was involved in 2 different accidents. These police-reported accidents occurred in New York.

Blue Arrow It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major accident, fire or flood.

Blue Arrow It has not been reported by a DMV as having an Exceeds Mechanical Limits or Not Actual Mileage title.

Blue Arrow It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an odometer rollback. It was driven an average of 7,665 miles per year, which is lower than the industry average of 15,000. The last odometer reading, reported on 06/29/2004, was 72,172 miles.

Blue Arrow It was not reported by a DMV as a Manufacturer Buyback or LEMON.

Blue Arrow It has no recalls that still require repair.

Blue Arrow Its basic warranty has expired. You may want to discuss an extended warranty with your dealer.

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1. ACCIDENT CHECK

Total Loss Check No Severe Accidents Reported by a DMV - Buyback Guarantee!

Other Accident Indicators Accident Indicator Reported



2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK

Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported by a DMV - Buyback Guarantee!

Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found

Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found



3. LEMON CHECK®

No Mfr. Buyback Reported by a DMV - Buyback Guarantee!



4. OWNERSHIP CHECK

Number of Owners 1 Estimated Owner(s)

Type of Owners Originally Registered as a Personal Vehicle



5. RECALL CHECK

No Open Recall(s) Reported



6. WARRANTY CHECK

No Coverage Remaining on Basic Warranty. Interested in an Extended Warranty?

DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 26 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED

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Year/Make/Model: 1994 PORSCHE 968



Body Style: COUPE

Engine: 3.0L L4 FI 16V DOHC

Fuel: GASOLINE

Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE

Manufactured in: GERMANY

Safety Equipment: 4 wheel ABS, Dual front air bags/active (manual) belts

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, AM / FM Cassette, Power Brakes, Removable panels, 6-digit Odometer





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Total Loss Check:



GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609). If you find that any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!



Salvage Title Loss Due To Fire Title

Junk Title Flood Damage Title

Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Hail Damage Title

Dismantled Title Canadian Total Loss



Other Accident Indicators:



This 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609) had accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.



No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported

No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported

No Frame Damage Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported

Police Accident Record Reported No Collision Repair Facility Record Reported



Accident Indicators Detail:

Date: Source: Detail:

05/19/1996 New York Police Report Accident Reported

Vehicle involved in crash

with another motor vehicle

04/19/2002 New York Police Report Accident Reported

Vehicle involved in crash

with a guide rail



New York Police Reports:





* Do not include an assessment of damage severity

* Are required if the estimated damage exceeds $1000

* Are released to CARFAX approximately 3 months after the accident date. At times, New York may have a backlog that will effect how quickly some accident records are displayed on the Vehicle History Report.



According to the National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2003 edition, 12% of the 243 million registered vehicles in the U.S. were involved in an accident in 2002. Over 90% of these were considered minor or moderate.

CARFAX depends on public and private sources for its accident data. Each one of these sources has different processing times. CARFAX can only report what is in our database on 21.Oct.2005 04:25:46. New data will result in a change to this report.

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Truth-In-Mileage Check:



GOOD NEWS! No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609). If you find that any of the following odometer problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!



Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.

Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.





Odometer Rollback Check:



CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.



Mileage Consistency Check:



CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history of this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609).





Date: Mileage:

09/12/1995 8,229

09/30/1996 17,138

03/13/1998 33,189

04/01/1998 33,393

09/29/1998 38,754

01/07/1999 41,387

05/24/1999 44,214

12/13/1999 49,357

02/14/2000 50,495

03/30/2000 51,944

04/11/2000 52,154

12/15/2000 58,515

04/03/2001 61,010

04/03/2001 61,012

06/13/2001 62,151

02/22/2002 66,200

05/28/2003 71,350

02/07/2004 71,831

06/29/2004 72,172



Average miles driven per year 7,665 CARFAX AdvisorTM Compare this vehicle's average annual mileage to the industry average of 15,000 miles per year. Use this comparison to determine how this vehicle was driven.



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Ownership History:



CARFAX estimates that this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609) had 1 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses.



Estimated Owners: Date: Location:

1st owner 04/17/1995 New York



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Types of Owners:



This 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609) was checked for 8 types of registrations.



Personal Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported

No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported

No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported

No Taxi Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported



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This 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609) has no recalls that still require repair.



Date: Source: Description:

10/21/2005 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair



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For your convenience, CARFAX has estimated the remaining original manufacturer warranty coverage based on information reported to us on this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609). Please confirm remaining factory warranty and extended warranty options with your dealer. Interested in an extended warranty?



Estimated start date of warranty: 03/15/1995

Last reading reported on 06/29/2004: 72,172 miles Recalculate with current mileage

Today's Date: October 21, 2005



Type of Coverage: Original Warranty: Estimated Remaining Coverage:

Basic 24 months or unlimited mileage Coverage expired

Drivetrain 24 months or unlimited mileage Coverage expired

Emissions 60 months or 50,000 miles Coverage expired

Corrosion 120 months or unlimited mileage Coverage expired

Transferable Transferable at no cost. Same

Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX

Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint No data reported to CARFAX

Specific Components No data reported to CARFAX

Notes: Manufacturer covers emissions components under basic warranty. Emissions coverage may vary by state. Refer to owners manual for specific details. Transferable: not cost, unlimited owners covered.





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CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 7,600 sources and found 26 record(s) for this 1994 PORSCHE 968 (WP0AA2961RS820609).



Date:

Mileage Reading:

Source:

General Comments:

03/15/1995 New York

Motor Vehicle Dept.

Patchogue, NY

Registered as

personal vehicle

04/17/1995 New York

Motor Vehicle Dept.

Rosedale, NY

Title issued or updated

First owner reported

09/12/1995 8,229 Inspection Co.

New York

Vehicle Inspected

Anti-theft device present

at the time of inspection

05/19/1996 New York

Police Report

Case #6-347013

Accident Reported

Vehicle involved in crash

with another motor vehicle

09/30/1996 17,138 Inspection Co.

New York

Vehicle Inspected

Anti-theft device present

at the time of inspection

03/13/1998 33,189 New York

Inspection Station

New York City Area

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

04/01/1998 33,393 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

Transmission serviced

Suspension system serviced

Lubed oil and filter changed

09/29/1998 38,754 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

Lubed oil and filter changed

Suspension system serviced

01/07/1999 41,387 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

05/24/1999 44,214 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

12/13/1999 49,357 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

Cooling system serviced

02/14/2000 50,495 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

03/30/2000 51,944 New York

Inspection Station

New York City Area

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

04/11/2000 52,154 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

Suspension system serviced

Engine serviced

Lubed oil and filter changed

12/15/2000 58,515 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

04/03/2001 61,010 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

State inspection completed

04/03/2001 61,012 New York

Inspection Station

New York City Area

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

06/13/2001 62,151 Service Facility

Vehicle serviced

02/22/2002 66,200 New York

Inspection Station

New York City Area

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

04/19/2002 New York

Police Report

Case #30518076

Accident Reported

Vehicle involved in crash

with a guide rail

05/28/2003 71,350 New York

Inspection Station

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

02/07/2004 71,831 Inspection Co.

New York

Vehicle Inspected

Anti-theft device present

at the time of inspection

02/12/2004 New York

Motor Vehicle Dept.

Islip, NY

Title issued or updated

Registration issued or renewed

Registered as

personal vehicle

Loan or lien reported

Passed safety inspection

04/02/2004 New York

Motor Vehicle Dept.

Islip, NY

Registration issued or renewed

Correction to record

Registered as

personal vehicle

Passed safety inspection

06/29/2004 72,172 New York

Inspection Station

Passed safety inspection

Passed emissions inspection

10/21/2005 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair

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Detailed Vehicle History Definitions:



* Accident

CARFAX receives information on accidents in most states when an official police report is filed. The level of detail in the accident record varies by state depending on the state's accident report requirements. CARFAX recommends you obtain a vehicle inspection from your dealer or an independent mechanic for any car involved in an accident.

* First Owner

When the first owner(s) obtains a title from a Department of Motor Vehicles as proof of ownership.

* Personal Use

Vehicle was registered by the owner for private or personal use.
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the up side is that a really good price could probably be negotioated, and then the car repaired correctly, and have a great driver - none of the damage seems major
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[quote name='flash' date='Oct 21 2005, 11:48 AM']the up side is that a really good price could probably be negotioated, and then the car repaired correctly, and have a great driver - none of the damage seems major

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Richard at TKX told me to stay away-it wasnt that there was so much damage I think (there was), it was that the car was so badly repaired and pasted together again.
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i guess that comes down to how willing you are to get into a project car, and how cheaply you get the car to start with - when i had my shop, i never really had a problem starting with a bare chassis, as long as there was no frame damage, and going from there - the rest was never an issue - now that i am just in my garage though, i tend to limit things a lot more, so i understand the hesitation



if you could get it for under 6k, and you had the time, space, and inclination, you could end up with something cool - if not, then yes, best to pass for sure
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[quote name='flash' date='Oct 21 2005, 12:53 PM']i guess that comes down to how willing you are to get into a project car, and how cheaply you get the car to start with - when i had my shop, i never really had a problem starting with a bare chassis, as long as there was no frame damage, and going from there - the rest was never an issue - now that i am just in my garage though, i tend to limit things a lot more, so i understand the hesitation



if you could get it for under 6k, and you had the time, space, and inclination, you could end up with something cool - if not, then yes, best to pass for sure

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That does sound nice, but I am not yet so mechanical so I cannot just buy a project car at the moment (although I would like to).



I highly doubt the seller would be willing to drop to 6 from 12.9. He'll be able to sell it to another person (non enthusiast) and get about 12, if that person isnt so savvy that they dont take it to a PPI, etc.



The thing is that Richard advised me not to tell the car about the accident damage. #1-He said my friend was paying for that information, the seller wasnt paying for it.

#2-he wasnt so sure of the honesty of the guy, since he didnt tell me anything about any accident.



I left a message on the sellers machine telling him that my friend is asthmatic, and since the car is a smokers car, he just cant buy it. Which is a much less controversial and contentious reason for not buying the car, and I avoid any hassles of explaining the accidents, or telling him that I am not satisfied with the repair work his mechanic did regarding the accident.
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all absolutely valid reasons to pass - you have to be in just the right position to be able to jump into a project car, which this certainly would be - not everybody has the interest in such a thing either - i love building stuff, but most people don't



as for future potential cars, i would not sweat the accident issue so much, as long as it was not frame damage, and the repair was competently done (not the case in this car) - a fender bender is really nothing to worry about in and of itself, and may actually be helpful in price negotiation, if budget is an issue



best of luck
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[quote name='flash' date='Oct 21 2005, 01:10 PM']all absolutely valid reasons to pass - you have to be in just the right position to be able to jump into a project car, which this certainly would be - not everybody has the interest in such a thing either - i love building stuff, but most people don't



as for future potential cars, i would not sweat the accident issue so much, as long as it was not frame damage, and the repair was competently done (not the case in this car) - a fender bender is really nothing to worry about in and of itself, and may actually be helpful in price negotiation, if budget is an issue



best of luck

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My friend told me that (barring the smoke issue of course) he would seriously consider the car if the repair work had been done correctly. But since it wasnt, TKX advised him to stay away from it.
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Buyer Beware, Car is up for sale again in KS. After Hours Motors, LLC. Wichita, KS. Asking price is $9900, and after reading above is still way too much. Glad I googled the VIN before wasting my time. Regards
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Good catch.
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